if the white limo had been used instead on 11/22

[bob franklin]

This is an exercise in conjecture, of course, but What if the white limo used in Ft. Worth had also been used in Dallas? Would we have ever seen the Zapruder film? Would any photos of the limo ever be released? The spatter patterns would be so very evident...

[Bob]

I don't think it would have changed much. It would have been more obvious though. The actual assassination had some blunders, but the cover up was the real key. The only thing that might have changed things was if Greer was NOT the limo driver. His job as driver was atrocious, as was some other SS work, especially by Emory Roberts. Zapruder would still have been filming as well. Billy had a very interesting take on Zapruder recently...Abraham Zapruder is not the man you think. Consider:Abraham Zapruder-White Russian affiliation, 32nd degree Mason, active MEMBER of 2 CIA Proprietary Organizations: The Dallas Council On World Affairs and The Crusade For A Free Europe;These two organizations were CIA (backed) Domestic Operations in Dallas whose membership included:Abraham Zapruder, Clint Murchison (owner of the Dallas Cowboys at that time) , Mr. Byrd, (owner of the Texas School Book Depository), Sarah Hughes, who swore LBJ in as the 36th President while Air Force One was still on the ground in Dallas, George DeMohrenschildt, (CIA contract agent AND best friend of LHO), George Bush (also close friend of George DeMohrenschildt), Neil Mallon, (mentor that Bush named his son, Neil, after), H.L. Hunt, & Demitri Von Mohrenschildt (George D's brother).In 1953 and 1954 a woman named, Jeanne LeGon worked SIDE by SIDE with Abraham Zapruder at a high end clothing design firm called, Nardis of Dallas. Jeanne LeGon designed the clothing and Abraham Zapruder cut the patterns and the material for her.Incidentally, Abraham Zapruder's obituary mis-states the date/year that he departed Nardis of Dallas, incorrectly citing 1949. The correct year was 1959, [the same year that his "partner in design" Jeanne LeGon became known as, Jean LeGon DeMohrenschildt... She had married Lee Oswald's BEST FRIEND (to be), CIA Contract Agent, George DeMohrenschildt!] Plus, you have this... By the way, D.H. Byrd also was the founder of the Louisiana Civil Air Patrol. Members include Lee Harvey Oswald, David Ferrie, Charles Rogers (one of the three tramps), James R. Bath (Dumbya Bush's buddy in the Texas Air National Guard and the bin Laden family money man in Texas) and Barry Seal, who was the CIA's biggest drug runner of all-time and who was murdered with Poppy Bush's telephone number in his car. And this... In the 1950's Prescott Bush and the Harrimans are the founding fathers of CBS. In 1963, CBS reporter Dan Rather makes his career break with the Kennedy Assassination by lying to the American public that he sees JFK's head move violently FORWARD on the Zapruder film. The lie is possible, because the Zapruder film was bought by Time Life and kept lock and barrel from the public for 14 years. Time Life is founded and owned by Henry Luce, also a member of Skull and Bones. Luce had many friends, among them general Edward Lansdale, a known covert operative for the CIA. Henry's wife, Clare Booth Luce, Congresswoman, is a radical supporter of the Anti-Castro movement and personal friends with another high-ranking covert operative for the CIA and a resident from Fort Worth: David Atlee Phillips. Edward Lansdale and David Phillips are widely accepted as key planners of the JFK assassination. They are also exact matches for the "covert operations specialist"(Phillips) and the "top brass in military intelligence from Asia" (Lansdale) as described in Sam Giancana's biography "Double Cross". And this... George H.W. Bush failed to disclose his friendship with George De Mohrenschildt, a renowned oil geologist and Lee Harvey Oswald's best friend in Dallas. They knew each other since 1942, probably even longer, because in 1939 he went to work for Humble Oil, a company founded by Prescott Bush. In 1977, when De Mohrenschildt is located by investigators of the House Select Committee on Assassinations, who want to interview him, he allegedly commits suicide the following day. The last person to interview him on the day he died, is Jay Edward Epstein, a writer/historian and a known apologist for the Warren Report since day one. Epstein married a CIA agent and is the biographer of former CIA-director James Jesus Angleton, presumably in charge of Oswald's "defection" to Russia. Interestingly, Epstein is also the "consultant" that was suddenly hired by NBC in 1995, when NBC was making a program for national TV on the confession of James E. Files. The program was promptly cancelled. In De Mohrenschildt's address book a telephone number is found for Bush's oil company Zapata Petroleum, with a further entry for "George Poppy Bush". It is well known that "Poppy" is a nickname for George H.W. Bush to his friends and family. Shortly before, De Mohrenschildt had sent his old friend George, now CIA director, a letter, asking if something could be done about the surveillance and harassment he was lately exposed to. Why would De Mohrenschildt suspect the harassment originated from the CIA? This letter is public domain now, but does not show up in the collections of correspondence that Bush put together in a book as a way of publishing his memoirs. David Atlee Phillips was one of the planning CIA officials in the plot to kill JFK. He was a member of the Dallas Petroleum club, as was George Demohrenschildt and George Bush. All three were CIA, and knew each other. Yet time and again, during the Warren Commission, during the HSCA as a CIA director, and during the Assassinations Records Review Board as President, George Bush keeps his mouth shut about these liaisons, who were both CIA supervisors for Lee Harvey Oswald. Who wants to maintain that George's silence is insignificant?

[scottjfkmad]

It is an extremely interesting post about the White Limo, I think this in itself would of completely changed the case... If Blood patterns had gone a certain way, indicating a shot from the front then this would of been wonderful evidence..Very interesting read up on Abraham Zapruder, never before seen or read anything negative about the man.

[bob franklin]

I know. The connections are all so inbred. Everyone knew everyone else, yet nobody knew nuthin.Had to have been some hum-drum marksman with a crap rifle, shooting through tree foliage. Also, check out Zapruder's job description at Nardis. LeGon designed the clothing, & he cut the patterns & cloth. Sounds just a bit "Ma and Pa Kettle", from my perspective. It almost reads like he's ducking the IRS, or something. Were talking about a high end fashion design firm, not a accessory kiosk at some strip-mall. They have people for that.

[scottjfkmad]

lol, very interesting again...Zapruder had said that JFK was his favorite President aswell hadn't he...This White Limo is something major in my eyes; this could have been unmistakable evidence that would have confirmed a shot from the front...