Israeli involvement in 9/11 and spying on the U.S.

[Pasquale DiFabrizio]

Robert Wagner wrote:Pasquale DiFabrizio wrote:Robert Wagner wrote: Zim announced its intention to move out in April 2001, six months before 9/11/2001, and spent the next six months moving. It completed the move "days before." Six months is not "in such a hurry." Here's the beginning of the announcement:Zim-American Israeli ships itself out of NY; New headquarters in Va. will cut costs; move means layoffs.Crain's New York BusinessApril 9, 2001 p. 4by Alice LipowiczSeeking to lower its costs, Zim-American Israeli Shipping Co. is moving its North American headquarters to Norfolk, Va., from its longtime base at the World Trade Center in Manhattan. The move means a loss of at least 110 jobs. http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/v ... f=9&t=6098 Zim paid about $50,000 in broken lease fees. That's not moving out in a hurry? LOL Zim's move is relatively insignificant, but it illustrates what's wrong with your methodology. You are so intent on proving the Jews did it that you're willing to ignore evidence that doesn't support your pet theory. You continue claiming Zim moved out "in a big hurry," proving foreknowledge, when the facts show them moving out six months before 9/11. This illustrates why an investigator should not start with a conclusion and look for evidence to support it -- because bias causes him to discard inconvenient evidence. This thread is no longer a productive search for answers.Zim still paid about $50,000 in broken lease fees. That's not moving out in a hurry? You're silly. You're acting like the Zim information is the ONLY information linking Israel to 9/11. I've presented a lot of information regarding Israeli involvement in 9/11. You even admitted that the Israeli's had foreknowledge and that two of those "dancing Israelis" who were arrested on 9/11 were Mossad agents and that it was basically no big deal. Those "dancing Israelis" were arrested because they reportedly (according to witnesses) had video cameras pointed at the towers BEFORE the first impact, and then were seen laughing and cheering as the attack happened. The FBI detained them for at least two months. By your own admission, TWO of them were Mossad agents, and you think it's no big deal. I think ANY thread on this forum is more productive without you putting out your nonsense. You don't seem to be trying to get at the truth. You seem to be a liar to me. Also, I'm not blaming "the Jews" as you say. So, you need to stop lying about it and misrepresenting what I'm saying because I'll just keep putting you in your place. This thread seems to be non-productive for YOUR purposes. I don't think your agenda is about getting at the truth. Then again, who am I, right? You're the one who said that you were at the Ambassador Hotel when RFK was shot and at a lot of other places too. So, you're just the person to go to for the facts right? LMAO! In my opinion, you probably haven't been anywhere that you claimed to be. I find your stories hard to believe. I also think that you are a racist and that you hold Jewish supremacist beliefs based on what you said about Jews being smarter.When I pointed out to you, and you agreed, that Jews make up less than 2% of the U.S. population and that they are disproportionately represented in positions of power in the media, government, and financial institutions, your response was basically that it was because Jews are smarter. I have a more realistic approach to life. I don't hold racist ideas like you that certain races or ethnic groups are smarter than others. YOU said that. You're also the one who started off your BS with me here by making fun of Italians. So, you've shown your racist colors adequately here on this forum. You also have shown that you hold Jewish supremacist beliefs. I pointed out to you that in the United States, before the civil rights movement, positions of power were held by whites versus people of color and that by YOUR beliefs or reasoning it was because whites were smarter and NOT because it was a RIGGED GAME. Today, Jewish people make up less than 5% (actually it's like less than 2%) of the U.S. population, and yet they are very disproportionately represented in positions of power. You then basically said that it's because they are smarter. Remember? Shall I quote you? LOLYou are wrong. You also seem to be racist and a liar. Robert Wagner wrote:Pasquale DiFabrizio wrote:Also, you CHOOSE to see the evidence of Israeli foreknowledge as nothing abnormal. People like me find it highly suspicious. Thousands of people died because of those attacks. That's no big deal to you, right? If you think thousands of murdered people is just business as usual, that's on you. You can choose to live in your bubble and rationalize everything. Where is your outrage over at least 919,967 people killed in Afghanistan and Iraq since 9/11/2001? The idea that 303 Arabs are less important than 1 American is what provoked those 19 hijackers to get on the planes. Number of deaths was compiled using the lowest credible estimates. See:http://www.unknownnews.net/casualties.htmlWhere is my outrage over Afghanistan? That's your answer? You were the one who was minimizing those thousands of people who died on 9/11. So, instead of addressing the issue on-point like an adult, you CHANGED the subject and brought up Afghanistan.Those deaths in Afghanistan were basically CAUSED by the 9/11 false-flag operation. So, it's not just "business as usual" as you made out 9/11 to be. You're the one who said that Israeli's having foreknowledge of 9/11 was basically no big deal. That is minimizing those THOUSANDS of people who died there. You basically said that. Remember? Then when I say that you seem to be minimizing all those people who died in 9/11, you change the subject and bring up Afghanistan. You need to do better than that to fool people here.The real good thing about all your nonsense is that a lot of other people can read this information too and decide for themselves. You're helping me get the information out there for discussion every time you fling more of your nonsense. For the past two weeks, this topic has been viewed a couple of thousand more times. Thank you for that. You can continue to try and spin the truth into lies and misrepresent other people's information and beliefs, and it's all just you spinning your wheels. It's nonsense because you haven't refuted a thing. You can't stop the truth from getting out there. So, hold onto your seat, because the truth is continuing to come out.

[kenmurray]

Since Robert Wagner says he was at the Ambassador Hotel the day RFK was shot, I wonder if he ran into Eugene Hale Brading.

[Pasquale DiFabrizio]

kenmurray wrote:Since Robert Wagner says he was at the Ambassador Hotel the day RFK was shot, I wonder if he ran into Eugene Hale Brading. That's a good question. Here's one of my favorite Robert Wagner quotes:Robert Wagner wrote:When experienced pilots tried it on a simulator (yes, they could get speed up to 600 mph), they kept missing the WTC. Whoever flew the plane was a ace. I like how he asserts that "experienced pilots" could get commercial planes to go 600 mph ON A SIMULATOR but that they kept MISSING THE WTC!!!! LMAO!!!! It reminds me of Gary Mack on that documentary where they tried to give credit to the magic bullet theory by shooting through two simulated human torsos, which was only PARTIALLY what the magic bullet supposedly did. Now THAT's funny! The bullet they used in that documentary, if I remember correctly, was way more deformed than the magic bullet, and the whole test was not representative of the full path that the magic bullet supposedly traveled. It's the same lopsided reasoning as when the Warren Commission test fired the same type of ammunition into cotton wadding and then through the wrist of a human cadaver and those test bullets looked nothing like the magic bullet. You can either simulate the event or not. Partial simulations don't cut it. Also, simulations that don't depict reality, like a commercial jet flying over 500+ mph near sea level, are not proof that it can be done in reality. As proof of this, those experienced pilots, as Robert Wagner said, couldn't even hit the WTC at those speeds. They kept MISSING the WTC even in the simulations. It's because they are not trained to fly 500+ mph near sea level. It's not reality.In Wager's example, it's like "Look! They got planes on SIMULATORS to go 600 mph near sea level, but those "experienced" pilots just kept MISSING the WTC in those simulations!" As if getting a plane on a simulator to go 600 mph is such a big deal. That's like me saying that I could actually do a particular thing in real life because I can do the same thing that is "simulated" on a video game even if I can't ACTUALLY even do it ON that video game. LOL Then, the icing on the cake was this gem when Wagner said, "Whoever flew that plane was an ace." I almost fell out of my chair laughing.So, we're talking about Top Gun type pilots doing things with commercial jets that really only military fighter jets and missiles can do, eh, Robert? Didn't the authorities claim that Oswald was an ace with that cheap Manlicher Carcano too? Expert rifle men tried to "simulate" what Oswald did, and they just couldn't do it either, but you're going to stick to your argument about those planes, aren't you. LOL Those simulated flights at 600 mph at sea level were not representative of reality. That's why they're called "simulators." Commercial jets cannot fly in level flight at 500+ mph near sea level because the air is too thick. ;D Those planes were also not in a "power dive." Just look at the supposed videos of the planes hitting the WTC. They're going basically horizontally in or at a slight angle, but not a "power dive" of any kind.

[Pasquale DiFabrizio]

Anti-Defamation League Linked to Arizona Tragedyby Michael Collins Piperhttp://www.americanfreepress.net/html/anti-def ... _.htmlFrom the article: "During World War II, the ADL accused fellow Americans of being disloyal to their country and played a major part in a trumped-up case (eventually thrown out of court) in which some 30 Americans were falsely charged with “sedition.”Then, in the late 1940s—although the ADL wants people to forget about this—it was pointing fingers at people and calling them “communists”—long before anyone had ever heard of a guy named Joe McCarthy.And although the ADL portrays itself as a “civil rights” group, in the 1960s the ADL was spying on Martin Luther King. They considered him a “loose cannon.”And the ADL spied on the American supporters of Nelson Mandela—a fact the ADL doesn’t want Mandela’s fans to know about.These days the ADL specializes in accusing people of “anti-Semitism” if they dare to criticize the U.S. policy of open-ended financial support of Israel. And they are constantly stirring up talk about “racism” and pitting different racial groups against one another."

[Pasquale DiFabrizio]

Yousef Al-Khattab, Man Behind Virulent Islamic Website, Grew Up Jewishhttp://thebrooklynink.com/2010/04/23/11041-yousef-al-khattab-man-behind-virulent-islamic-website-grew-up-jewish/His real name is Joseph Cohen. The other supposed American convert to Islam that was paraded around the news, and still is today is this guy in the link below. His real name is Adam Pearlman.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_PearlmanHere are two quotes from the link:"Adam Yahiye Gadahn (Arabic: آدم يحيى غدن‎, Ādam Yaḥyā Ghadan; born Adam Pearlman, September 1, 1978) is an American senior operative, cultural interpreter, spokesman[2] and media advisor[3] for the terrorist group Al-Qaeda.""Gadahn was born Adam Pearlman, the son of musician Phil Pearlman. Gadahn's Jewish paternal grandfather, Carl Pearlman, was a prominent urologist; and on the Board of Directors of the Anti-Defamation League. According to Gadahn, he was a "zealous supporter" of Israel.[7][8]"Is this just coincidence, or are these two men really Israeli agents or Jewish organized crime engaged in a psy-op program to scare people about Arabs and Muslims? Also, for your consideration, don't forget the so called dancing Israelis who were arrested on 9/11 and detained for about two months. They were then released to Israel. It's my understanding that the man who owned the company they worked for, Urban Moving Systems (or something like that), fled the U.S. when his employees were arrested and went to Israel himself! LOL Those "dancing Israelis" even appeared on an Israeli talk show afterward. http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICL ... s.htmlWhat a coincidence, eh?

[Pasquale DiFabrizio]

A good friend of mine reminded me today to not forget to include the Bush people in on this 9/11 nonsense. I certainly do think the Bush people were behind 9/11 and that they were also used by pro-Israeli entities like AIPAC. I consider people like Bush to be pawns of entities like AIPAC. This article is from http://www.veteranstoday.com.It's called "GORDON DUFF: “AIPAC ORDERED BUSH TO ATTACK IRAN”http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/12/05 ... /According to the article, it seems that the Iraq campaign was also meant as a step to get to Iran. According to the article, Bush W. kind of screwed it up.From the article, "All of it, all foreign policy issues, were out of AIPAC, they ran everything in the Bush administration."

[SLogan]

In March, 1992, Illinois Representative Paul Findley said in The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, "It is interesting - but not surprising - to note that in all the words written and uttered about the Kennedy assassination, Israel's intelligence agency, the Mossad, has never been mentioned."Considering that the Mossad is quite possibly the most ruthless and efficient intelligence agency in the world, it is peculiar that they have never been scrutinized in relation to the Kennedy assassination, especially when practically every other entity in the world (short of Elvis impersonators) has been implicated. But that all changed in January, 1994 with the release of Michael Collins Piper's Final Judgment. In this book, Piper says, "Israel's Mossad was a primary (and critical) behind the scenes player in the conspiracy that ended the life of JFK. Through its own vast resources and through its international contacts in the intelligence community and in organized crime, Israel had the means, it had the opportunity, and it had the motive to play a major frontline role in the crime of the century - and it did."Their motive? Israel's much touted Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion, who ruled that country from its inception in 1948 until he resigned on June 16, 1963, was so enraged at John F. Kennedy for not allowing Israel to become a nuclear power that, Collins asserts, in his final days in office he commanded the Mossad to become involved in a plot to kill America's president.Ben-Gurion was so convinced that Israel's very survival was in dire jeopardy that in one of his final letters to JFK he said, "Mr. President, my people have the right to exist, and this existence is in danger."In the days leading up to Ben-Gurion's resignation from office, he and JFK had been involved in an unpublicized, contentious debate over the possibility of Israel getting nuclear capabilities. Their disagreement eventually escalated into a full-fledged war of words that was virtually ignored in the press. Ethan Bronner wrote about this secret battle between JFK and Ben-Gurion years later in a New York Times article on October 31, 1998, calling it a "fiercely hidden subject." In fact, the Kennedy/Ben-Gurion conversations are still classified by the United States Government. Maybe this is the case because Ben-Gurion's rage and frustration became so intense - and his power so great within Israel - that Piper contends it was at the center of the conspiracy to kill John Kennedy. This stance is supported by New York banker Abe Feinberg, who describes the situation as such: "Ben-Gurion could be vicious, and he had such a hatred of the old man [Joe Kennedy, Sr., JFK's father]." Ben-Gurion despised Joe Kennedy because he felt that not only was he an anti-Semite, but that he had also sided with Hitler during the 1930's and 40's. [We will touch upon this aspect of the story in an upcoming article entitled The CIA and Organized Crime: Two Sides of the Same Coin].Anyway, Ben-Gurion was convinced that Israel needed nuclear weapons to insure its survival, while Kennedy was dead-set against it. This inability to reach an agreement caused obvious problems. One of them revolved around Kennedy's decision that he would make America his top priority in regard to foreign policy, and not Israel! Kennedy planned to honor the 1950 Tripartite Declaration which said that the United States would retaliate against any nation in the Middle East that attacked any other country. Ben-Gurion, on the other hand, wanted the Kennedy Administration to sell them offensive weapons, particularly Hawk missiles.The two leaders thus engaged in a brutal letter exchange, but Kennedy wouldn't budge. Ben-Gurion, obsessed by this issue, slipped into total paranoia, feeling that Kennedy's obstinance was a blatant threat to the very existence of Israel as a nation. Piper writes, "Ben-Gurion had devoted a lifetime creating a Jewish State and guiding it into the world arena. And, in Ben-Gurion's eyes, John F. Kennedy was an enemy of the Jewish people and his beloved state of Israel." He continues, "The 'nuclear option' was not only at the very core of Ben-Gurion's personal world view, but the very foundation of Israel's national security policy."Ben-Gurion was so preoccupied with obtaining nuclear weapons that on June 27, 1963, eleven days after resigning from office, he announced, "I do not know of any other nation whose neighbors declare that they wish to terminate it, and not only declare, but prepare for it by all means available to them. We must have no illusions that what is declared every day in Cairo, Damascus, and Iraq are just words. This is the thought that guides the Arab leaders … I am confident … that science is able to provide us with the weapons that will serve the peace and deter our enemies."Avner Cohen, in Israel and the Bomb, published by Columbia University Press, reinforces this sense of urgency by writing, "Imbued with lessons of the Holocaust, Ben-Gurion was consumed by fears of security … Anxiety about the Holocaust reached beyond Ben-Gurion to infuse Israel's military thinking." He further adds fuel to this point by pointing out, "Ben-Gurion had no qualms about Israel's need for weapons of mass destruction," and "Ben-Gurion's world view and his decisive governing style shaped his critical role in instigating Israel's nuclear progress."Kennedy, on the other hand, was adamant in his refusal to promote Israel's ascension to the nuclear stage. Avener Cohen, in Israel and the Bomb, stresses, "No American president was more concerned with the danger of nuclear proliferation than John Fitzgerald Kennedy. He was convinced that the spread of nuclear weapons would make the world more dangerous and undermine U.S. interests." Cohen continues at the end of this passage, "The only example Kennedy used to make this point was Israel."Realizing that Kennedy would not change his mind, Ben-Gurion decided to join forces with Communist China. Both countries were greatly interested in creating nuclear programs, and so began their secret joint dealings. Working in unison through intermediary Shaul Eisenberg, who was a partner of Mossad gun-runner and accountant Tibor Rosenbaum, Israel and China proceeded to develop their own nuclear capabilities without the knowledge of the United States.If you find this scenario improbable, I strongly urge you to read Gordon Thomas' excellent book, Seeds of Fire, where he exposes how the Mossad and CSIS (Chinese secret service) have conspired on many occasions to not only steal American military secrets, but to also doctor U.S. intelligence programs such as the Justice Department's PROMISE software. This instance, I am afraid to say, is but the first where echoes of the JFK assassination can still be felt today reverberating through our post 9-11 world. The danger of Israel developing the Bomb in unison with China became a highly volatile situation, and was closely monitored by the CIA.Intent on pursuing this path, the Israeli's constructed a nuclear facility at Dimona. When Kennedy demanded that the U.S. inspect this plant, Ben-Gurion was so incensed that he erected another PHONY facility that held no evidence of nuclear research and development. (Does this scenario sound eerily familiar to the game we're playing with Saddam Hussein in Iraq right now?) Fully aware of their shenanigans, though, JFK told Charles Bartlett, "The sons of bitches lie to me constantly about their nuclear capability."Avner Cohen, in Israel and the Bomb, reiterates this claim by saying that Ben-Gurion had taken the nuclear issue so closely to heart that he, "concluded that he could not tell the truth about Dimona to American leaders, not even in private."Dr. Gerald M. Steinberg, political science professor at Bar-Ilan University's BESA Center for Strategic Studies in Tel Aviv, weighs in by saying, "Between 1961 and 1963, the Kennedy administration placed a great deal of pressure on Ben-Gurion in the effort to pressure for acceptance of international inspection of Dimona and Israeli abdication of their nuclear weapons. This pressure apparently did not alter Israeli policy, but it was a contributing factor to Ben-Gurion's resignation in 1963."To convey how serious this situation had become in modern terms, look at what is happening in Iraq with United Nations security teams inspecting the royal palaces and bunkers for nuclear weapons and materials. This matter is so urgent that our nation is on the verge of war. Forty years earlier, the heat that JFK was placing on Ben-Gurion was equally as strong as what George Bush is laying on Saddam Hussein today.In Israel and the Bomb, Avner Cohen reinforces this point. "To force Ben-Gurion to accept the conditions, Kennedy exerted the most useful leverage available to an American president in dealing with Israel: a threat that an unsatisfactory solution would jeopardize the U.S. government's commitment to, and support of, Israel."The pressure on Ben-Gurion was so immense that he ended up leaving office. But Kennedy, in true pit-bull style, didn't let up on Ben-Gurion's successor, Levi Eshkol, as Avner Cohen reports. "Kennedy told Eshkol that the U.S. commitment and support of Israel 'could be seriously jeopardized' if Israel did not let the U.S. obtain 'reliable information' about its efforts in the nuclear field. Kennedy's demands were unprecedented. They amounted, in effect, to an ultimatum." Cohen concludes this thought by asserting, "Kennedy's letter precipitated a near-crisis situation in Eshkol's office."In the end, as we're all aware, Kennedy was assassinated in November 1963; but less known is that China conducted its first nuclear test in October, 1964. What makes this event more profound is Piper's claim that even though Israel said its first nuclear tests took place in 1979, they actually occurred in October, 1964 along with the Chinese! If this is true, other than August, 1945 when the United States dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, October 1964 may possibly be the most dangerous month in 20th century history.Let's return, though, to JFK's assassination and the direct results of it in regard to the Jewish lobby, American foreign policy, and the militarization of Israel. To understand how powerful the Israeli lobby is in this country, venerable Senator J. William Fulbright told CBS Face the Nation on April 15, 1973, "Israel controls the U.S. Senate. The Senate is subservient, much too much; we should be more concerned about U.S. interests rather than doing the bidding of Israel. The great majority of the Senate of the U.S. - somewhere around 80% - is completely in support of Israel; anything Israel wants; Israel gets. This has been demonstrated time and again, and this has made [foreign policy] difficult for our government."Do you hear what Senator Fulbright said? This isn't a crazy conspiracy theorist or a KKK anti-Semite. It's a much-respected U.S. Senator saying that about 80% of the Senate is in Israel's hip pocket. Adding clout to this argument is Rep. Paul Findley, who was quoted in The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs in March, 1992, "During John Kennedy's campaign for the presidency, a group of New York Jews had privately offered to meet his campaign expenses if he would let them set his Middle East policy. He did not agree … As the president, he provided only limited support of Israel."To understand how important Kennedy's decisions were during his short-lived presidency, we need to look at the issue of campaign finance. Considering how influential the Israeli lobby is in the U.S. Senate (hearkening back to the words of Senator Fulbright), they had to have been enraged when President Kennedy genuinely wanted to cut the knees out from under the current campaign finance methods because it made politicians so reliant upon the huge cash inlays of special-interest groups. Regrettably, Kennedy did not have the time to implement this program, and to this day our political system is still monopolized by lobbyists from the very same special-interest groups. One can only imagine what changes would have occurred in regard to our foreign policy had Kennedy eradicated these vipers and blood-suckers from the halls of Congress.Tragically, Kennedy's ideas never came to fruition, and his heated battle with Prime Minister Ben-Gurion over whether Israel should be allowed to develop a nuclear program was ultimately lost. The reason why is that Lyndon Baines Johnson, who Kennedy intended to drop from his ticket in 1964 due to his extreme dislike for, had a complete reversal in foreign policy. As you will see, not only did Israel's nuclear program move ahead unchecked; they also became the primary beneficiary of our foreign aid.But this absolute turnaround would not have occurred if Kennedy would not have been assassinated. Up until LBJ became president, Kennedy dealt with the Middle East in a way that most benefited the U.S. His primary goal - and one which would most keep the peace - was a balance of power in the Middle East so that each and every nation would be secure. This decision adhered to the Tripartite Declaration which the U.S. signed in 1950. But under the Johnson administration, this fragile balance was overturned, and by 1967 - only four years after Kennedy's assassination - the U.S. was Israel's main weapons supplier, and OUR best interests were put well behind those of Israel!As Michael Collins Piper writes: "The bottom line is this: JFK was adamantly determined to stop Israel from building the nuclear bomb. LBJ simply looked the other way. JFK's death did indeed prove beneficial to Israel's nuclear ambitions and the evidence proves it."Reuven Pedatzer, in a review of Avner Cohen's Israel and the Bomb, in the Israeli Newspaper Ha'aretz on February 5, 1999 wrote, "The murder of American president John F. Kennedy brought to an abrupt end the massive pressure being applied by the U.S. administration on the government of Israel to discontinue their nuclear program." He continues, "Kennedy made it quite clear to the Israeli Prime Minister that he would not under any circumstances agree to Israel becoming a nuclear state." Pedatzer concludes, "Had Kennedy remained alive, it is doubtful whether Israel would today have a nuclear option," and that, "Ben-Gurion's decision to resign in 1963 was taken to a large extent against the background of the tremendous pressure that Kennedy was applying on him concerning the nuclear issue."If you're still not convinced; how about some numbers? In Kennedy's last fiscal budget year of 1964, Israeli aid was $40 million. In LBJ's first budget of 1965, it soared to $71 million, and in 1966 more than tripled from two years earlier to $130 million! Plus, during Kennedy's administration, almost none of our aid to Israel was military in nature. Instead, it was split equally between development loans and food assistance under the PL480 Program. Yet in 1965 under the Johnson administration, 20% of our aid to Israel was for the military, while in 1966, 71% was used for war-related materials.Continuing in this same vein, in 1963 the Kennedy administration sold 5 Hawk missiles to Israel as part of an air-defense system. In 1965-66, though, LBJ laid 250 tanks on Israel, 48 Skyhawk attack aircrafts, plus guns and artillery which were all offensive in nature. If you ever wondered when the Israeli War Machine was created, this is it! LBJ was its father.According to Stephen Green in Taking Sides: America's Secret Relations with a Militant Israel, "The $92 million in military assistance provided in fiscal year 1966 was greater than the total of all official military aid provided to Israel cumulatively in all the years going back to the foundation of that nation in 1948."Green continues, "70% of all U.S. official assistance to Israel has been military. America has given Israel over $17 billion in military aid since 1946, virtually all of which - over 99% - has been provided since 1965."Can you see what's happening here? Within two years of JFK's assassination, Israel went from being a weak, outmatched member of the volatile Middle Eastern community that was not allowed to develop nuclear weapons to one that was well on its way to becoming a undeniable military force on the world stage. John Kennedy adamantly put his foot down and refused to allow Israel to develop a nuclear program, while LBJ bent over backward to facilitate and bolster them. Or, as Seymour Hersh wrote in The Samson Option, "By 1968, the president had no intention of doing anything to stop the Israeli bomb."The result of this shift in focus from the Kennedy to Johnson administration is, in my opinion, the PRIMARY reason behind our current troubles in the Middle East which culminated in the 9-11 attacks and our upcoming war with Iraq (and beyond). I have a great deal of confidence in this statement, for as Michael Collins Piper points out, here are the results of John F. Kennedy's assassination:1) Our foreign and military aid to Israel increased dramatically once LBJ became president.2) Rather than trying to maintain a BALANCE in the Middle East, Israel suddenly emerged as the dominant force.3) Since the LBJ administration, Israel has always had weaponry that was superior to any of its direct neighbors.4) Due to this undeniable and obvious increase in Israel's War Machine, a constant struggle has been perpetuated in the Middle East.5) LBJ also allowed Israel to proceed with its nuclear development, resulting in them becoming the 6th largest nuclear force in the world.6) Finally, our huge outlays of foreign aid to Israel (approximately $10 billion/year when all is said and done) has created a situation of never-ending attacks and retaliation in the Middle East, plus outright scorn and enmity against the U.S. for playing the role of Israel's military enabler.In Israel's, and especially David Ben-Gurion's eyes then, what were their alternatives - to remain weakened (or at least balanced) in relation to their neighbors and handcuffed by JFK's refusal to bow to their will, or KILL the one man standing in their way to becoming dominant in the Middle East, the recipient of huge amounts of military aid, and one of the premier nuclear forces in the world? It's something to think about. Also, while these thoughts are running through your head, ask yourself this question. If Kennedy, LBJ, and all subsequent administrations would have adhered to the 1950 Tripartite Declaration and did everything in their power to maintain balance in the Middle East instead of pushing Israel to the forefront, would our Towers have been attacked on 9-11, 2001, and would we be on the verge of a possibly catastrophic war today? It's certainly something to ponder

[Pasquale DiFabrizio]

Slogan, you speak the truth. Thank you for that. It's very important that people read it.I'm still reading the same book, Final Judgement, and I'm about about one-third the way through it. For the rest of you, it shows definite evidence of the Israelis having had a hand in the JFK assassination. This is not made up stuff. For those of you who have read Final Judgment, you already know.For the rest of you reading this forum, take a look at the post before this one here. It's important. Good job, SLogan!

[Pasquale DiFabrizio]

It seems that forum member, j.j.c. bruinsma, is taking up a discussion with me that is more appropriate for this topic, so I'm posting his comments with my reply here as well. j.j.c.bruinsma wrote:Pasquale DiFabrizio wrote:it shows definite evidence of the Israelis having had a hand in the JFK assassination. I've been coming across evidence that the Israelis (more specifically the Israeli Mossad) were also behind the 9/11 attacks.In the years 30/40 a sick fuck blame the Jews for all the bullshit in the worldsee what the did too the poor people.......NEVER AGAIN PLEASE.I rest my case.Hey, j.j.c. "SHALOM" bruinsma, Is talking about Israeli organized crime or talking about Jewish organized crime the same thing as talking bad about Jewish people? No. What is your fixation with WWII and NAZIs anyway? Do you stay up late at night watching WWII films over and over or something? LOL Evidently, Israeli organized crime DOES exist, according to the Los Angeles Police Department and the Los Angeles Times. Are they anti-Semitic too? NoHere's are two articles from the Los Angeles Times and The Huffingtong Post talking about a shooting at a synagogue in North Hollywood, CA in October 2009. At first, the media and the police were investigating the shooting as a hate crime. Then they said that they dismissed that idea and began investigating the shooting as Israeli organized crime. Here's The Huffington Post article.Synagogue Attack: Business Dispute Led To North Hollywood Synagogue Attack Here's the link to it.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/1 ... 8.htmlFrom the article:"Police initially feared the synagogue shooting may have been a hate crime, but that theory was quickly dismissed. Detectives also investigated whether the shooting was connected to Israeli organized crime, but Castro said it was not."Here's the Los Angeles Times article saying the same thing, that the synagogue shooting in North Hollywood, CA in October 2009 was being investigated as Israeli organized crime. Temple attack probed for links to organized crimehttp://articles.latimes.com/2009/dec/03/local/la-me-synagogue-shooting3-2009dec03"LAPD detectives are investigating whether the shooting of two men at a North Hollywood synagogue in October is the work of Israeli-connected organized crime.The Oct. 29 shooting ignited fear that it was a hate crime, but Los Angeles police officials quickly ruled that out. In the last few weeks, LAPD investigators have concentrated their resources on the idea that the shootings were designed to silence someone."So, we can clearly see that Israeli organized crime does exist. I wonder if j.j.c. "SHALOM" bruinsma is going to blame Goebels or the NAZIs or anti-Semitic entities for this information too, eh? Jewish/Israeli organized crime does exist no matter how many times j.j.c. "SHALOM" bruinsma seems to make that information sound anti-Semitic or something...unless mobsters like Myer Lansky and Bugsy Siegel were Italian or Irish or something and not actually Jewish. LOL

[Deborah]

Martin Hinrichs wrote:Mark, may i ask what Aids has to do with the evil Nazi regime and their genocide?The book, Dr. Mary's Monkey and Ed Haslam, provide a link for how AIDS came about. Dr. Mary Sherman, David Ferrie, Dr. Alton Oschner, Judyth Vary Baker, Lee Harvey Oswald. AIDS was a CIA OP. And the CIA was the result of Operation Paperclip, the U.S. Government, surreptitiously bringing 5000 Nazi SS and Nazi scientists into the country and forming a new organization, the CIA. Combined SS and former U.S. OSS, Allen Dulles/Reinhard Gehlen et al. The spoils of war. Hitler won. Think about it. Experiments on vulnerable populations of people, prisons, mental hospitals, children, soldiers.