JFK: THE CASE FOR CONSPIRACY.

[Bob]

Kit Carp wrote:Thank you for your kind words, Mr. Brycheck.I'd be happy to start a thread about Douglas Horne's most excellent work.Your comment about the "curve in the road" brings to mind to me what I have for a long time considered the "bookends" in the assassination of President Kennedy. As President Eisenhower left office, he gave us a warning of things to come.***Eisenhower's Farewell Address to the NationJanuary 17, 1961"...But threats, new in kind or degree, constantly arise. Of these, I mention two only.......This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence – economic, political, even spiritual – is felt in every city, every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together." ***Then, exactly one month after that terrible day in Dallas, on the one month anniversery of the assassination, when the USA and the world were still pondering what happened, while the investigation was ongoing and much of the world mourned....brave and astute Harry Truman spoke up in an article which was printed in the morning edition of the Washington Post on December 22, 1963. Mysteriously, and tellingly, this was not picked up and run with, by the rest of the newspapers and magazines of this nation. This was our popular ex-president's opinion. Why wasnt it important enough to run throughout the country?In it, ex-President Truman does his best to dare to skate close to the truth. When I think of the date, it gives me goosebumps every time I read this.***Limit CIA Role To IntelligenceBy Harry S TrumanCopyright, 1963, by Harry S Truman" INDEPENDENCE, MO., Dec. 21 — I think it has become necessary to take another look at the purpose and operations of our Central Intelligence Agency—CIA. At least, I would like to submit here the original reason why I thought it necessary to organize this Agency during my Administration, what I expected it to do and how it was to operate as an arm of the President. I think it is fairly obvious that by and large a President's performance in office is as effective as the information he has and the information he gets. That is to say, that assuming the President himself possesses a knowledge of our history, a sensitive understanding of our institutions, and an insight into the needs and aspirations of the people, he needs to have available to him the most accurate and up-to-the-minute information on what is going on everywhere in the world, and particularly of the trends and developments in all the danger spots in the contest between East and West. This is an immense task and requires a special kind of an intelligence facility. Of course, every President has available to him all the information gathered by the many intelligence agencies already in existence. The Departments of State, Defense, Commerce, Interior and others are constantly engaged in extensive information gathering and have done excellent work. But their collective information reached the President all too frequently in conflicting conclusions. At times, the intelligence reports tended to be slanted to conform to established positions of a given department. This becomes confusing and what's worse, such intelligence is of little use to a President in reaching the right decisions. Therefore, I decided to set up a special organization charged with the collection of all intelligence reports from every available source, and to have those reports reach me as President without department "treatment" or interpretations. I wanted and needed the information in its "natural raw" state and in as comprehensive a volume as it was practical for me to make full use of it. But the most important thing about this move was to guard against the chance of intelligence being used to influence or to lead the President into unwise decisions—and I thought it was necessary that the President do his own thinking and evaluating. Since the responsibility for decision making was his—then he had to be sure that no information is kept from him for whatever reason at the discretion of any one department or agency, or that unpleasant facts be kept from him. There are always those who would want to shield a President from bad news or misjudgments to spare him from being "upset." For some time I have been disturbed by the way CIA has been diverted from its original assignment .It has become an operational and at times a policy-making arm of the Government. This has led to trouble and may have compounded our difficulties in several explosive areas. I never had any thought that when I set up the CIA that it would be injected into peacetime cloak and dagger operations. Some of the complications and embarrassment I think we have experienced are in part attributable to the fact that this quiet intelligence arm of the President has been so removed from its intended role that it is being interpreted as a symbol of sinister and mysterious foreign intrigue—and a subject for cold war enemy propaganda. With all the nonsense put out by Communist propaganda about "Yankee imperialism," "exploitive capitalism," "war-mongering," "monopolists," in their name-calling assault on the West, the last thing we needed was for the CIA to be seized upon as something akin to a subverting influence in the affairs of other people. I well knew the first temporary director of the CIA, Adm. Souers, and the later permanent directors of the CIA, Gen. Hoyt Vandenberg and Allen Dulles. These were men of the highest character, patriotism and integrity—and I assume this is true of all those who continue in charge. But there are now some searching questions that need to be answered. I, therefore, would like to see the CIA be restored to its original assignment as the intelligence arm of the President, and that whatever else it can properly perform in that special field—and that its operational duties be terminated or properly used elsewhere. We have grown up as a nation, respected for our free institutions and for our ability to maintain a free and open society. There is something about the way the CIA has been functioning that is casting a shadow over our historic position and I feel that we need to correct it."***We sometimes forget that the truth about what happened to President Kennedy is not so very buried and hard to figure out as we might think. Most of the answers sit right before us, in plain sight, for those who research our own recent history, and pay attention to those who were brave enough to actually speak the truth.Freedom has away of ringing. When Liberty is compromised, when dark forces in the form of power and greed take away the basic freedoms the Constitution has granted us, we need to be cognizant of what has actually happened, and be ready to do our own little parts, in whatever way we can, to regain our most basic rights as Americans.Good night and God Bless,Kit CarpFantastic info there Kit. I always knew about Ike's warning, but I wasn't aware that Truman also had misgivings about the CIA.

[Phil Dragoo]

Truman's editorial in the Washington Post December, 1963, brought a visit by Allen Dulles attempting to force a retraction. None was forthcoming yet Dulles wrote a memo to CIA counsel Houston claiming Truman was aghast at how his words had been “misrepresented” in said editorial.To give the lie to Dulles' disinfomemo, Truman wrote William B. Arthur managing editor of Look magazine June 10, 1964:The CIA was set up by me for the sole purpose of getting all the available information to the President. It was not intended to operate as an international agency engaged in strange activities.“Strange activities” indeed, Harry.

[Kit Carp]

I did not know about Dulles and the attempt to get a retraction. Where can I read the sordid details about that? Thank you for this information. At this point in time...wasnt Dulles "retired"?I do know that I cant find any mention of this important article in any other newspaper from this day, or the next. It seems to be a big fat lid was put over our press on this day about this aritcle from our own ex-president. Morning edition of the Washington Post, then, tah-tah, freedom of the press.That says a lot for the state of our news media on December 22, 1963, dont you think?

[Bruce Patrick Brychek]

02.01.2016Dear JFK Murder Solved Forum Members and Readers:05.22.2006 - I originally Posted this Headline about the Important Work Product of Robert J. Groden, whomI greatly admire and respect overall.Paul, Cory Dotson, Kit Carp, Thom Zajac, Bob, and Phil Dragoo made some great follow-up contributions.For Me, Garrison, Lane, Lifton, Groden, and Dankbaar were, and are, the JFK Research Cornerstones.Doug Horne's Masterpiece has certainly now come into focus with the early assistance of Phil Dragoo, andthe Tremendous Additional Scholarly Contributions of Bob Fox, both an Excellent Long Time Member, andModerator of JFKMS Forum.MAKE SURE THAT YOU READ AND STUDY KIT CARP'S VERY IMPORTANT CONTRIBUTIONS BY PRESIDENT DWIGHTDAVID EISENHOWER, AND PRESIDENT HARRY S. TRUMAN. I was familiar with Eisenhower's comments, but totallyunfamiliar with Truman's. This helped direct both Tom Jeffers and myself into Very Serious Research and Studyabout Truman, the Original OSS, the Original CIG, and the Original CIA, with SERIOUS EMPHASIS ON BOTH THEMAJESTIC TWELVE, AND MAJICTWELVE. (Not misspelled.)As always, I strongly recommend that you first read, research, and study material completely yourself abouta Subject Matter, and then formulate your own Opinions and Theories.Any additional analyses, interviews, investigations, readings, research, studies, thoughts, or writings on anyaspect of this Subject Matter ?Bear in mind that we are trying to attract and educate a Whole New Generation of JFK Researchers who may not be as well versed as you.Comments ?Respectfully,BB.

[Bob Jonas]

Groden's book and video are the two most important visual addendums to the assassination. I only wish they would inspire others to release photos or videos that have yet gone unseen since that day in Dallas. Who knows what photos and/or videos are circulating in secret circles of the govermnent or even private cutizens that have yet to be seen by the general research community!

[kenmurray]

JFK: The Case For Conspiracy....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKw1nljVCMw