LET'S CHANGE OUR NAME

[Dealey Joe]

Why are we duped by the VonPainintheasses to call ourselve Theorist'swe are not the theory mongers, they are.We know what happened, they do too but they for some reason, be it money, fame or who knows whatuse a conspiracy to cover up the truth to protect the guilty.Why dont they just come out and say we did it. The American people will do noting, will require nothing of them.Am I wrong? out in left field'?What can we call ourselves.Ideas?

[kenmurray]

Truthseekers

[Dealey Joe]

that might work.. keeptryingto late at night for me to think much

[Phil Dragoo]

Hey, guys, I just read a great page by a veteran which destroys the planted rifle, planted shells, planted bullet, planted fragments:John Ritchson(SSGT. 499th TC USATC HG US Army Class of 69)(GunSmith/Ballistician,Black Eagle Gun Works) (Survivor, SE Asian Games, 11BRAVO7,Tet 1970)http://www.angelfire.com/me/carcano/richards.htmlAmong many features of interest, the man posits a .22 to the throat. Man, that rings a bell. . .a .22. . .a .22--well, it may come to me.I have a couple of catchy names: liars is one. Just off the top of my head. Oops--unfortunate figure of speech. Yes, well, the conspiracy-deniers are liars.Recalling Jack Nicholson from a Few Good Men, we may be the truthhandlers.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo

[Dealey Joe]

Phil I like Truthhandlers and Truthseekers.

[Kirk]

Dealey Joe,I think the name should be obvious, especially with the affinity that you and others on this forum have for John Wayne....The SearchersI would agree with Ken on the truth seekers, but many seekers like many patriots have an agenda, whether they admit it to themselves or anyone. I am as disgusted as anyone about the agenda promoters in the midst, whether they be done consciously or unconsciously. Of course being disgusted by it doesn't really help, but understanding why some in this community have made themselves the cause might. I still am not completely up on the who's who of JFK Assassination Culture. Partly because of the numbers, and yes the name changing and worse side changing without just reason or evidence to support it, and lastly because my eyes tend to glaze over reading about them. One thing I note is that we all share something in common at least in the beginning, and that is an interest in the JFK Assassination and yes I believe the truth at one time everyone probably wanted that first and foremost. but as in life we go our separate ways after.From my understanding so far, some are very good people, but the Assassination Research has taken on a life of it's own for them, and maybe worse the life's blood of them. Jack White comes to mind in this case. So much time...so much effort, and seemingly so close to an answer. I firmly believe he just wants the answer, and has been willingly to work with most anyone to get the answer, even Gary Mack, if that is his name. How can it not become personal? It is personal to me as a human being, and a fortunated citizen of this country. For others like Gary Mack it is about making a name for themselves other then apparently Dunkel. For some it is about trading on their name and past triumphs for earthly rewards, as in the case of Vincent Bugliosi etc. Others it is some kind sociopathic pursuit to not just keep justice blind but deaf and dumb as in the case of Posner and others etc. Mostly I feel sometimes it is a battle for ownership of the truth of what happened in Dallas that November, and what happened to us and our country after. Nobody really can own the truth, but we are all responsible for it, whether we admit it or not.

[kenmurray]

Dealey Joe wrote:Phil I like Truthhandlers and Truthseekers.Both are good choices Joe.

[Dealey Joe]

Kirk, Right on, I am in awe of your understanding my friend,Sometime we are too close to the forest to see the trees.I don't have many answers but do have questions.one thing that keeps slapping me in the face is that the Searchershave made a hobby of this. and never really want to come to any conclusions.You mention Mr. White, Jack has spent his life at this hobby. to mehe has gotten into the habit of making something complicated that really is simple.He has teamed up with Armstrong to come to the conclusion that in order to figureout the mess they have created that there had to be 2 or more LHO'sLHO was not a complicated person, he was just in the wrong place at the right time.lacking parental guidance or refusing it.His whole life was leading him to his end just like yours and mine.Another thing i notice about the pioneers, eventually they become the experts andno longer need input from newbies. new opinion and ideas are vital to research.without those the pioneers would and do just dig holes for themselves.If you are really interested in the Search you just have to get in there and push.i can tell you that what you know is very much needed.yes there are some VonPeins who choose to use disinformation and confusion instead of furthering the cause. Of course this brings thrill seekers but does nothing positive.I feel there is more truth on this forum as can be in evidence by the number of posts and the low activity. no thrill or excitement no audiencelook at the jfk assassination forum. always a big crowd there with hundreds of postsevery minute? is anything being accomplished there other than a platform for a few.

[Bob]

I like all the suggestions. I would definitely use the word truth in our description of who we are. Truthseekers, Truthhandlers, Truthsearchers, whatever. We seek out or search for the truth. We can also handle the truth. Those on the other side can't...or won't.

[Kirk]

Thanks Joe, And I of course pretty much feel the same you things you do on this. I think in the case of Jack, though I do not know him. He has been at it so long and seemingly so close, but not yet the answer that he became impatient and took something that is partly true, and stretched some. Were there Oswald imposters? I was would say so. Were there two Oswalds? I would say it is possible as almost anything is possible in this age, but not likely and problematic at best. It is hard enough to keep tabs on one person, and double the trouble with two. Do the pictures all the pictures of Oswald look the same? Well of course not, and for many reasons, including being altered with and for some purpose to either conceal or reveal. Who was or is Oswald I think is a very important part of the whole truth, and yes the alterations and the real imposters of Oswalds have muddied the waters to come to a complete conclusion yet, but I say and mean yet. I do believe that the truth wills out, as shakespeare said, but not in always our time, but in time.I totally agree with your opinion on the hierarchy of Researchers. Though I do respect that they have been at it for much longer then I, and that many have brought to light what would not have been known or discover without their efforts, but yes it is often the little thing that they miss, and can only be seen with fresh eyes, and a different attitude. One thing I have tried to remember from my own experience is not to buy my own bullshit to much. I think many are trying to prove or convict, and win a verdict, when unfortunately we are not at that stage just yet. Evidence...to indictment is where we are in my opinion, but getting closer to a possible trial. You are right about some wanting to debated obvious. They are either trying to run out the clock or interested only in the Industry of the Assassination as Mr. Files even alluded to. It is a maddening thing to me as well.I think we need to start putting things in their proper place based on evidence1) Possible2) Not Possible3) Probable4) Not Probable5) Likely6) unlikely7) Certainexample: Lone Nut...possible, but not probable and unlikely