ISLAM

[Dealey Joe]

Dr. Peter Hammond is a missionary who has pioneered evangelistic outreaches in the war zones of Mozambique, Angola and Sudan. Often travelling by off road motorbike, Peter has travelled hundreds of thousands of miles to deliver Bibles to persecuted Christians in Africa and Eastern Europe. In the course of his missionary activities Peter has been ambushed, come under aerial and artillery bombardments, been stabbed, shot at, beaten by mobs, arrested and imprisoned. On some mission trips he has flown far behind enemy lines to the beleaguered Nuba Mountains in Central Sudan with tonnes of Bibles, books and relief aid. He has then walked throughout the war devastated Nuba Mountains showing the Jesus film in Arabic, proclaiming the Gospel, training pastors and evading enemy patrols. Islam Explained in Layman's Terms Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat.Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges. When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.Here's how it works: As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:United States -- Muslim 0.6%Australia -- Muslim 1.5%Canada -- Muslim 1.9%China -- Muslim 1.8%Italy -- Muslim 1.5%Norway -- Muslim 1.8%At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:Denmark -- Muslim 2%Germany -- Muslim 3.7%United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%Spain -- Muslim 4%Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:France -- Muslim 8%Philippines -- 5%Sweden -- Muslim 5%Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections in: Guyana -- Muslim 10%India -- Muslim 13.4%Israel -- Muslim 16%Kenya -- Muslim 10%Russia -- Muslim 15%After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8% At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:Bosnia -- Muslim 40%Chad -- Muslim 53.1%Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:Albania -- Muslim 70%Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%Qatar -- Muslim 77..5%Sudan -- Muslim 70%After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%Egypt -- Muslim 90%Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%Iran -- Muslim 98%Iraq -- Muslim 97%Jordan -- Muslim 92%Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%Pakistan -- Muslim 97%Palestine -- Muslim 99%Syria -- Muslim 90%Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%Somalia -- Muslim 100%Yemen -- Muslim 100%Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons."Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel." -- Leon Uris, 'The Haj'It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate. Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat. Well, boys and girls, today we are letting the fox guard the henhouse. The wolves will be herding the sheep! Obama appoints two devout Muslims to Homeland Security posts. Doesn't this make you feel safer already? Obama and Janet Napolitano appoint Arif Alikhan, a devout Muslim, as Assistant Secretary for Policy Development. DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano swore in Kareem Shora, a devout Muslim who was born in Damascus, Syria, as ADC National Executive Director as a member of the Homeland Security Advisory Council (HSAC). NOTE: Has anyone ever heard a new government official being identified as a devout Catholic, a devout Jew or a devout Protestant...? Just wondering. Devout Muslims being appointed to critical Homeland Security positions? Doesn't this make you feel safer already??Was it not "Devout Muslim men" who flew planes into U.S. buildings 8 years ago? Was it not a Devout Muslim who killed 13 at Fort Hood?

[turtleman]

Well then maybe we should quit "proselytizing" our damn selves and mind our own business. Quit trying to make Muslim countries buy our policies and get our greedy capitalistic asses out of their country. If you don't think we push our ideas on Muslim countries under the quid pro quo of foreign aid you better wake up. Look at how much we give Pakistan. Not chump change. And if you don't think Christianity has a political/moral agenda you better wake up. Does Eric Rudolph ring a bell. How about the Scott Roederer that shot the abortion doctor. Eric Prince of Blackwater infamy. It goes on and on. These Christian fundamentalists blur the line between a religious and political agenda. You can't look at things one way Joe and say we are always the victims. As far as the 9/11 hijackers go, hmmm... Regarding religion, the more organized they are the less I like them.

[Pasquale DiFabrizio]

turtleman wrote:Well then maybe we should quit "proselytizing" our damn selves and mind our own business. Quit trying to make Muslim countries buy our policies and get our greedy capitalistic asses out of their country. If you don't think we push our ideas on Muslim countries under the quid pro quo of foreign aid you better wake up. Look at how much we give Pakistan. Not chump change. And if you don't think Christianity has a political/moral agenda you better wake up. Does Eric Rudolph ring a bell. How about the Scott Roederer that shot the abortion doctor. Eric Prince of Blackwater infamy. It goes on and on. These Christian fundamentalists blur the line between a religious and political agenda. You can't look at things one way Joe and say we are always the victims. As far as the 9/11 hijackers go, hmmm... Regarding religion, the more organized they are the less I like them.Exactly, Turtleman.The media in this country demonizes Islam and Muslims. Who controls the media in this country? What is the average ethnicity or political affiliation of most media controllers? You know where I'm going with this, right? Look at people like Rham Emmanuel. He's American born, and he is pro-Israeli. He's appears to be a pro-Israeli Jew. He also was a volunteer in the IDF (Israeli Defense Force) in the first Persian Gulf War. He's AMERICAN born. Why did he volunteer for a FOREIGN country's, Israel's, military force? Where are his loyalties? It's so blatant and in our face that it's accepted by a lot of people as being no big deal, except that it IS a big deal. Lots of people think that since Israel is our ally it's no big deal. It IS a big deal. In the first Gulf War, Emanuel served with the Israel Defense Forces as a civilian volunteer helping to maintain equipment.[15]Emanuel has said of his Judaism: "I am proud of my heritage and treasure the values it has taught me."[10]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_EmanuelI guess he's so "proud" of his heritage that he would rather volunteer for Israel's military services rather than our OWN. This is just a sample of what is going on.

[Phil Dragoo]

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[andries]

who,s to blame for moslims being not welcome anymore in almost every country worldwide everybody, except moslims themself ?the islam in his way has alway,s conflicted with boedha,jesus ,manitou,hindi,and everybody elsein an unwise evil way,and has nothing to do with oil.

[andries]

andries wrote:who,s to blame for moslims being not welcome anymore in almost every country worldwide everybody, except moslims themself ?the islam in his way has alway,s conflicted with boedha,jesus ,manitou,hindi, allah himself, and everybody elsein an unwise evil way,and has nothing to do with oil.i can hardly blame the bush clan for that

[neab]

I only skim read this thread, but very interesting subject matter this. My friend has been telling me more and more lately about the islamification of britain and even europe. Geert wilder is someone who comes under alot of crap for what he speaks about but I kinda agree with tbh. The problem I have with islam is that it leaves for no error, they beleive its directly from god/allah and if they take the word from basically a warlord who had many wives and basically a pedophile. They spread hate and it's there goal to convert everyone to it. It's not the peaceful religion you would have believe, their birth rate is far higher than non muslim, which means conceivably within 50 years tehy will overpopulate some countries in europe and could vote/ change in numbers that could eventually see europe basically muslim state. This is the stuff my mate has been saying/reading up on , and I see where he's coming from. The thing that pisses me off mostly is that they move about and are allowed to build mosques and practice their religion without prejudice, but you try go to pakistan and build a catholic church and see what happens to you. I also don't like the way they dont really integrate with society , the city I was brought in this was very prevalent. We have many immigrants but the muslim ones tend to build up areas of there own where you wouldn't exactly feel comfortable walking down, they just seem to stick together alot more than other cultures imo. I dont agree with how they still view women too tbh, they treat them like shit. It's not a religion and it shouldn't be seen as one. Thank you for this thread, I'm interested in hearing other people's opinions from different countries.

[Pasquale DiFabrizio]

neab wrote:I only skim read this thread, but very interesting subject matter this. My friend has been telling me more and more lately about the islamification of britain and even europe. Geert wilder is someone who comes under alot of crap for what he speaks about but I kinda agree with tbh. The problem I have with islam is that it leaves for no error, they beleive its directly from god/allah and if they take the word from basically a warlord who had many wives and basically a pedophile. They spread hate and it's there goal to convert everyone to it. It's not the peaceful religion you would have believe, their birth rate is far higher than non muslim, which means conceivably within 50 years tehy will overpopulate some countries in europe and could vote/ change in numbers that could eventually see europe basically muslim state. This is the stuff my mate has been saying/reading up on , and I see where he's coming from. The thing that pisses me off mostly is that they move about and are allowed to build mosques and practice their religion without prejudice, but you try go to pakistan and build a catholic church and see what happens to you. I dont agree with how they still view women too tbh, they treat them like shit. It's not a religion and it shouldn't be seen as one. Thank you for this thread, I'm interested in hearing other people's opinions from different countries.I will not defend Isalm or Muslims. My opinion is that organized religion is MIND CONTROL. Basically, Christianity or Judaism is no better than Isalm, in my opinion.It just so happens that one side controls OUR media, and, of course, Islam is demonized. Go figure.

[Kyle Burnett]

Dealey Joe wrote:Was it not "Devout Muslim men" who flew planes into U.S. buildings 8 years ago? No, not by any stretch. The Arabs involved in 9/11 were into alcohol and strippers, not Islam, and that is isn't even close to the half of it. Put simply, our establishment lies more about 9/11 and Islam than they do about JFK.Dealey Joe wrote:Was it not a Devout Muslim who killed 13 at Fort Hood?He was, but there are nuts of every faith, and many of none too.neab wrote:...the word from basically a warlord who had many wives and basically a pedophile.The claim of of Muhammad being a pedophile doesn't have any real evidence to back it, and polygamy was socially accepted in the past, many of the Biblical patriarchs engaged in it too. For example, at least according to 1 Kings 11:3, Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines. As for Muhammad being a warlord, he was one among many, but at least he was fighting to bring peace between many warring factions who worshiped various idols, uniting them under the traditions of Abrahamic monotheism.Pasquale DiFabrizio wrote:My opinion is that organized religion is MIND CONTROL. There's a lot of that in organised religion, which is one of the reasons I've never been attracted to anything of the sort. However, religious texts also contain a wealth of insight into metaphysical philosophy, Abrahamic scripture and otherwise. Were it not for that, they would have never gained popularity in the first place, and it's the good in them which is exploited by megalomaniacs who pervert such noble teachings to control the masses.Also, the notion of proselytizing Christianity to Muslims is a bit silly, as Jesus is already considered the Messiah in Islam, and they consider the Gospel Divine revelation. Granted, there are many theological differences between the two religions too, but they are close enough on such major points that haggling over the details seems rather absurd.

[Dealey Joe]

Welcome to the forum Kyle and thanks for a thoughtful post.