James Files 1994

[Bob]

Tony...please do some more research about what Tom talks about. All your questions (or doubts) will be answered then I believe. Also...please tell me you ride a Harley.

[Tony]

Dammit..I went and made a big post and it didn't get thru. I'll try again...and Bob, I ride the Harly when the customs aint runnin I got 3 custom choppers (one made for me by OCC) and fixing to bulid the little guy in my avatar one this winter. Course, like all the others..daddy's gonna have to keep it warm for him since he's only 8.Ok..first off..Tom...I have been there, and have had the opportunity to look down from where Files says he was (approx). I agree, it's a smaller area than it looks in pictures. From the fence spot to the X in the road looks close to 50 yrd, give or take.AND the downward agle is also more pronounced that it looks in pics. Now this was years ago, and at the time I held out for the belief a rifle was used from this area. I came away convinced it was a bonafide MIRACLE Jackie wasn't hit...assuming a high-owered rifle had been used. I mean, it was a miracle she didn't get hit in any case. Over the years, after watching the Zap film off and on, as computers came around and you could look at this over and over...it became clear to me that the reaction of his head/body actually WAS plausibly consistant with a shot coming from the rear, at a downward trajectory. Certainly what we see in the film is consistant with that, the right, upper part of his head turning to mist. Bodies do wierd things when shot, I don't believe there is any "hard-n-fast" rules for this, least none I have ever seen.His head was bent down probably as far as the chin would allow, and his neck was likely paralyzed from the first hit. He has his own shoulders and possibly his hands up around his chin, and he is slumping down to his left. Jackie is holding his body upright somewhat. I believe his head would whip to the left and very likely to the rear. What we see of his wound in Zap is also consistant with this. Again, I do have some knowledge/experience of what bullets do and how. Now as far as the bullet...I allowed for Files to be extrapolating on how these were made..though I agree he his right..they DID make those in that fashion back then. They were only good for very close range, and rarely actually "exploded". It's possible the maker was a real whiz...but I believe the chances of him pulling it off...with that type of round from that type of gun, at that distance....seem awful slim. And if he DID score the hit, I dont believe it was his bullet that vaporized the head. Have you ever seen these commercial rounds they have out called Glaser? Thin-jacketed, hollow core rounds, filled with metal beads in oil, caped with teflon. When these came out, I had a lot of opportunity to examine and play with these rounds due to my profession. Even with that technology, these things wern't worth a shit a more than 20 yards...and even then they didn't consistantly perform as advertised. Penetration was pitiful with these things. When they made these types of rounds back then, they DID use wax, as softened lead and rubber couldn't be made to bind to the core well, and you were left with a projectile that leaked out the mercury and rapidly began to tumble. Anyway, I won't go into my amature ballistics...save to say even today these are not reliable type rounds at any distance. But hell, look at the guns Bill Hickok used, and supposedly he could put one up a gnat's ass at 50 yards. While spittin chaw. Hard to say..

[tom jeffers]

originally posted by wim but listen till the endhttp://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=-426494027647785903#

[Tony]

thanks Tom...I have seen this. Interesting, to say the least. I tend to post as if we are a few dudes, talking over brews. I gotta remember not to come off as if I know what the hell hapened. I think it was a hell of a chance using that type of round. I'd believe it more if he said he used a regular bullet. I don't think the guy is a complete liar, I just have some problems with some of his statement. I saw some post about him getting charged by virtue of his confession.....that dude could go on every show or news channel out and he couldn't be charged with this. He surely knows that.Anyway...I gotta get some sleep. Thanks for the responses.

[tom jeffers]

tonyhave you ever been to a cirque de soleil? i have seen about 15 different shows. they do some incredible stuff in those shows and if you didn't see it with your own eyes, you would swear that it was not possible, but there it is.... if you told one of your buddies at the bar what they did, they would think you was pulling their leg.Namaste'

[dankbaar]

Is Craig Roberts good enough to verify the use of mercury bullets? http://jfkmurdersolved.com/phpBB3/viewt ... #p11040Wim>> ----- Original Message ----->> From: "Craig Roberts" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 9:57 AM>> Subject: Re: Hey, Craig...>>>> > Jack,>> >>> > I have to leave shortly so do not have time to join the forum at the>> > moment. You can cut and paste my response here:>> >>> > I have owned and shot and demonstrated sereral Mannlicher-Carcano >> > carbines>> > and rifles. The enbloc clip is designed to hold six rounds, and can be>> > loaded with less if the shooter takes time to insert the clip carefully >> > so>> > that it does not misalign the cartridges or that the cartridge bases do>> > not come disengaged from the slot retainer at the base of the clip.>> >>> > Italians received the ammunition in bandoleers, NOT "20 round boxes.">> > They also had 24 round boxes (4 clips in a box) in the system that they>> > could reload bandoleers or leather ammo pouches with. They seldom>> > "reloaded" the clips, and never in combat, any more than our GIs tried >> > to>> > pick up and reload M1 Garand clips.>> >>> > The rifle, if not worn out, and the clip, if not deformed, will always>> > fall out of the clip discharge slot when the last round is chambered. A>> > deformed clip (lips expanded due to being reloaded too many times) >> > might>> > stick, but would be immediately pushed out when the next full clip is>> > inserted.>> >>> > Attempting to load six-plus-one can be difficult. All of the Carcanos I>> > had did not want to override the cartridge base and the bolt would jam>> > before being locked into battery (closed completely). And why would>> > anyone want to? The six rounds were sufficient and easily and quickly>> > reloaded.>> >>> > Also, I have copies of the original evidence sheets from TDPS that show>> > what was found on the Sixth Floor. They show TWO expended rounds, and >> > one>> > live round in the chamber. NOT Three. The same documents, which I have>> > presented at various JFK seminars and Lancer, were changed and show >> > THREE>> > empty cartridges in the Warren Report. The WC docs were altered from >> > the>> > original. (Anyone want to bet $1000 that this did not happen? I'd be >> > glad>> > to show the documents). No clip was listed as found Also, the photos>> > taken of the evidence at DPD show a rifle, two empty cartridges, one >> > live>> > round and one S&W pistol. I've shown these at seminars as well.>> >>> > As for the shot sequence, I list what happened and how many shots were>> > fired and where from by the physical evidence, the eye witness accounts>> > and the ballistics. There were at least six rounds fired. For more on >> > this>> > see my chapter in my book "Kill Zone: A Sniper Looks at Dealey Plaza.">> >>> > And finally, if there was a lone shooter from the rear, why did >> > Kennedy's>> > head show being his from the front, and all the damage showing a >> > frontal>> > shot? All this "Jet Effect" crap is just that. Those morons who say >> > that a>> > person's head will jerk toward the incoming shot due to pressure build >> > up>> > and a "jet effect" are full of Water Buffalo Excrement. They have never>> > shot anyone in the head. I have. I KNOW what happens. Put a canteloupe >> > on>> > a fence post, hit it with a ball bat, then tell me it attacks the bat.>> >>> > I have also issued challenges to those out there who say that Oswald >> > could>> > have fired three shots in 5.6 seconds with two hits from a high to low>> > angle on a moving target that was going away from him with a rifle with >> > a>> > non-zeroed scope with loose base etc. etc. to let me set up a range and>> > let them try. Oswald was no big shooter. I'm a friggin' well known >> > rifle>> > and pistol shot and teach combat shooting, SWAT team snipers, and rifle>> > marksmanship. I tried to do it for a Japanese film company and the ONLY>> > time I got close to shooting within the time limit with two head shots >> > at>> > 88 yards was with my Remington 700 .308 police sniper rifle.>> >>> > I've found that all this billious BS about lone nut shot sequences,>> > possibilities, and what happened to make Oswald the lone shooter is>> > normally generated by arm chair "experts" who read a few books, or have >> > an>> > old rifle in the closet that they play with. None of them have ever >> > fired>> > one in combat, taken aim at a live human being, and squeezed the >> > trigger.>> > I've run into several of these guys who have challenged me with their>> > theories, but they don't understand that the two things involved are >> > the>> > mechancs AND the psychology. A lot of people buy rifles and go hunting >> > and>> > for the first time can't shoot the deer. They have a psychological >> > block>> > known as "Buck Fever." Oswald was very high strung, and after taking a>> > shot a General Walker, could not sleep for two days and was nervous as >> > a>> > whore in church. This guy is going to fire a string of shots at the>> > president on his lunch hour between bites of chicken? Gimme a break.>> >>> > The Xray photos show hundreds of metal fragments (drops of mercury) in >> > his>> > brain. I know how that happened. Let the lone nutters explain that.>> >>> > Craig Roberts>> > LtCol. IN, USAR, Ret.>> > Tulsa PD, Ret.>> > Cedar Creek Firearms Training Academy>> > www.riflewarrior.com

[dankbaar]

----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Roberts To: Wim Dankbaar Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:23 AMSubject: Re: Craig, question from WimWe know about making "exploding" bullets in the early 60s. I am not sure where the original information came from, but we talked about different types of bullets that could be altered in the field for more devastating effect. One was to take a hollow point bullet, use a small drill bit to make the cavity larger, then fill it with mercury and cap it with liquid soldier or parafin. Another was to fill the cavity with a poison, such as Sodium Warfarin (rat poison) or garlic. I'm not sure garlic would do anything, and it may have been a myth, but it was supposed to cause gangrene. Now we take it for infections.Other elements could be used as well: feces, mud, chemicals, drain cleaner mix, etc.CR----- Original Message ----- From: Wim Dankbaar To: Craig Roberts Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 7:41 AMSubject: Craig, question from WimCraig, where did you pick up the idea of a mercury bullet? Do you have any practical experience with those? Also, I saw you in a Japanase documenatary, target shooting with a Mannlicher Carcano. Is there any chance I may use that footage for my documentary?TIAWim

[Tony]

I believe I met Mr. Roberts some years back at Gunsight. He was mentioned at the Blackwater training as well, he is a well respected fella. And yes, Wim, you are correct about the bullets....even earlier than that folks were screwin around with rounds in all kinds of ways. Folks still do.It would be nice if some actual experiments could be done, utiizing the methods and materials Files talks about. Hell, I'd do it myself if I had the time. Actually, seein's how it's gonna be a long winter up north here, I just might get to experimenting. Don't know if I'll work with the mercury, but I can mess around with some rounds. I haven't done any stuff like that for a while, so it might be a fun little project.Take care folks.

[tom jeffers]

my step son is a master sargent with the army and teaches desert warfare in california and is a two time iraq veteran. he was in charge of the scout/sniper squad for the 101st. he has seen the z film and has said the shot was from the front that made jfk's head snap back. he has over 20 confirmed kills most by head shot so he knows what a body does when it gets hit. he also said he could not have done what oswald was supposed to have done with the weapon he supposedly used.

[andries]

Lone nutters alway,s claim that the short off time off the shots is crap because LHO was ready for his first shot so he only aims twice during the time time the shots have been firedBut every shooter knows that the particulair moment off the headshot only makes sences for a shot from the front.That is what i agree what files said about JK getting in the line off fire.