VERY interesting Dallas police document

[tom jeffers]

I stand corrected. I am sorry if i misled anyone and i have read and seen all the videos that bruce has reccommended pus a lot more. the only info that i have at my office is the dvd made by pam to review and in that one jimmy said they "drove around" not specifying who drove. i do not know why i thought that jimmy drove but if bruce says oswald drove then oswald drove. somewhere i think i remember jimmy saying that oswald drove a ford but hell my mind seems to be not working too good right now so that is probably wrong. too bad they don't make viagra for the brain, mine needs stimulated namaste'

[Bob]

Okay...here is the news from Joe. He and I talked this afternoon, plus he sent me some documents as well. Joe doesn't consider himself to be a researcher, but I wish there were 100 more like him that have his persistence and diligence. Joe went out of his way to get this information. But I think his effort was well worth it. First of all, Joe's journey took him to Dallas police headquarters and the records department, and then to the TCU library to check out Mrs. Marguerite Oswald's papers that she had collected over the years.Joe first went to the DPD record's office. He filled out a form to find out the validity of the Mary Bledsoe police report document that had mentioned a scuffle between Alek Hidel (Lee Harvey Oswald) and J.A. Rubenstein (Jack Ruby) in the report. The report also mentions a H.H. Grant being present. Joe was told it may be several weeks before he gets a response.Then Joe saw a police officer and what appeared to be a secretary talking. Joe was able to intercede in the conversation and he showed them both the police report that I had posted to start this thread. Both thought the report Joe showed them was very indicative of a standard police report of that period, with the errors that were in the report, that were common in a petty case of this nature.The secretary also said that the number across the top of the report was typed on a different typewriter, as there were indications of that because the dash shifted to the left on every number. However, the secretary also felt that report itself was genuine, and she was 100% certain of that. The police officer was 90% sure based on his study of the report. The secretary also thought that Joe would not get a favorable response from records, as the original report probably ended up with the FBI, CIA or a news organization.Bottom line, it appears that someone tampered with a copy of the report. More on that later.Joe then went to TCU. Mrs. Oswald's effects are in a special collections area of the library. Joe was helped by a very nice lady who was very helpful. The lady got Joe all the things he asked for. Incidentally, the lady asked Joe exactly what I was looking for, as he was only the third person to check out Mrs. Oswald's effects over the years.Joe told her that he was looking for the police report (the one mentioned above) that he had a copy of. The lady said that it wasn't in the files, as it would have been mentioned on Mrs. Oswald's index list. Then the lady thought awhile, and said, "Wait a minute...I recall something else." She then brought out another folder that had the general offense (police) report in the file. The numbers matched from the copy Joe had. This is the odd thing about the situation. One of the two people that had looked at Mrs. Oswald's effects before Joe had tried to slip this report into Mrs. Oswald's collection. However, the person was caught trying to do this, which is why it is not part of Mrs. Oswald's effects, but in a different file. Joe tried to get the name of the sleazeball that tried to slip this document in Mrs. Oswald's collection, but he could not get the name because it had personal information along with it. Joe then asked if the person was Dave Perry, and the lady smiled BROADLY and said that she couldn't share that information. Sometimes the eyes and facial features say more than words do folks.Now see this portion of a story done by the infamous Dave Perry himself regarding this document...Fort Worth researcher Gary Mack related to this writer he had a conversation with Jim Marrs shortly after the distribution of the information. Incredibly, Mack indicates Marrs claimed he discussed the discovery of the document with Cleburne, Texas, Warren Commission critic J. Gary Shaw. Shaw told Marrs that he had learned from Mary Ferrell that the document was a hoax. Sadly, Jim Marrs, by distributing this "release" to the press, has placed his imprimatur on the story. In the past, during his University of Texas at Arlington classes, Jim commented on his friendly relationship with Marguerite Oswald. He interviewed and spoke to her on many occasions yet she never mentioned the report -- a document that would verify a relationship between Oswald and Ruby prior to the assassination. There seem to be only two alternatives. Marguerite did suppress the report from everyone including Marrs because, in her view, it was proof of a conspiracy involving her son and Ruby or the document is a hoax planted in the TCU archive after her death in early 1982. I conclude the "Bledsoe report" is a fabrication. The record is full of errors, omissions and inconsistencies. Of course some will claim that the document is real and the supporting evidence and witnesses testimony altered as part of a massive coverup. If true the following names should be added to the list of conspirators: First on the list is Marguerite Oswald IF she buried the document in the TCU archives. She is followed by Mary Bledsoe, Mary Bledsoe's son, Al Chapman, Randy Chapman, Bertha Cheek, the Dallas Police Department, Mary Ferrell, H.H. Grant, Officer B.W. Hargis, Carroll Jarnagin, Arthur and Gladys Johnson, Ronald Magid, Shirley Mauldin and Officer J.C. White. It is my hope the authors will reply publicly, showing where my details or logic are inaccurate. As was expected, after seven years not one has. Perry claims that Mrs. Oswald may have tried to plant this report, when actaully it was probably Perry himself, after first doctoring the document to make it appear phony. By the way, Perry's buddy...Larry "The Fable Guy" Dunkel (Gary Mack) was once in television news in the Dallas area. Gary Mack was his on air name. Remember what the police secretary said...she thought the FBI, CIA or a news organization had the original police report based on her knowledge. Perry has clear CIA connections, and Mack was once in a news organization. Okay...that is a bit of a bombshell, but nothing compared to what Joe found next. Joe found this about H.H. Grant, who was listed in the Mary Bledsoe police report involving the skirmish between Hidel (LHO) and Rubenstein (Ruby)...Grant was in the FBI folks. We know LHO was a FBI informant (as well as a CIA operative). Ruby was also a FBI informant. This report makes a lot of sense. Grant was there to get information. LHO and Ruby got into it for one reason or the other. I'm sure the emotions were pretty raw just 6 weeks before the assassination took place. So...let's discuss this new information folks. Joe did a FANTASTIC job here.

[tom jeffers]

wow. is this a part of a police report? it appears it may be dated in 1966-1968 era. it was hard to make out some of the writing but i agree that if grant was fbi, he was there to keep things cool between the two and make sure nobody's cover was blown in the heat of the night.what file was the bledsoe document in? and what else was in that same file.great stuff bob and joe.tom

[Bob]

tom jeffers wrote:wow. is this a part of a police report? it appears it may be dated in 1966-1968 era. it was hard to make out some of the writing but i agree that if grant was fbi, he was there to keep things cool between the two and make sure nobody's cover was blown in the heat of the night.what file was the bledsoe document in? and what else was in that same file.great stuff bob and joe.tomThe Grant story was part of a story done by UPI. It is NOT a police report. But Grant WAS mentioned in the Bledsoe report, and that is mentioned in the UPI story.Joe will have to answer your question about what was in the file with the doctored police report that someone (Dave Perry perhaps ) tried to plant.

[Bruce Patrick Brychek]

Dear Messrs. Bob, Tom, and Joe:Outstanding work by you three (3) gentlemen. You three (3) have come together to do outstanding work for the JFK Forum in a short time like I have never seen here before. This JFK Forum is truly blessed to have such men, so intellectually honest, who have painstakingly followed through together. I am honored and proud to know such True Researchers as you.Bob, could you please snail mail me a copy of the document that you Posted.Joe, you are truly a cut above. Proud to know you.Tom, you never have to apologize to me for anything. We can disagree, and still be great friends. Over the years I have disagreed with Wim, but I think the world of him.Wim, Thank You for appointing Bob and Tom as moderators of your outstanding JFK Forum. You had vision where others did not even see light.Respectfully,Bruce Patrick Brychek.

[Bob]

Bruce Patrick Brychek wrote:Dear Messrs. Bob, Tom, and Joe:Outstanding work by you three (3) gentlemen. You three (3) have come together to do outstanding work for the JFK Forum in a short time like I have never seen here before. This JFK Forum is truly blessed to have such men, so intellectually honest, who have painstakingly followed through together. I am honored and proud to know such True Researchers as you.Bob, could you please snail me a copy of the document that you Posted.Joe, you are truly a cut above. Proud to know you.Tom, you never have to apologize to me for anything. We can disagree, and still be great friends. Over the years I have disagreed with Wim, but I think the world of him.Wim, Thank You for appointing Bob and Tom as moderators of your outstanding JFK Forum. You had vision where others did not even see light.Respectfully,Bruce Patrick Brychek.Bruce...thanks...but I'll say it YET again. This forum is better than it's ever been. Joe is an example of that. There are so many others that played a major role in the evolution of the forum as well. Too many to name. But you know who you are. I'm proud to be part of this family, brothers and sisters. We have not yet begun to fight...er...research.

[Dealey Joe]

tom jeffers wrote:wow. is this a part of a police report? it appears it may be dated in 1966-1968 era. it was hard to make out some of the writing but i agree that if grant was fbi, he was there to keep things cool between the two and make sure nobody's cover was blown in the heat of the night.what file was the bledsoe document in? and what else was in that same file.great stuff bob and joe.tomTom the General Offence Report was not in the Oswald collection.The librarian recalled seing the file in her office files.She would not let me see what else was in it as it contained personal information probably of the person who attempted to plant it and of the Librarian who made the report.the UPI page was in box 17 in a grey notebook containing documents from doctors testimony about JFK Actually there is no order to any of the materils. I would say they have no idea how to put all that together.There were at over 20 boxes full of file folders.

[kenmurray]

Outstanding job there Joe and Bob. I wouldn't be the least surprise that the plant is one Dave Perry.

[Michael Calder]

Bob,I can't make out the HH Grant material. Could you type out what you think is relevant. Thanks. Dealey Joe might not think he is an investigator but he just graduated into the ranks. www.jfkcia.com

[Bob]

Michael Calder wrote:Bob,I can't make out the HH Grant material. Could you type out what you think is relevant. Thanks. Dealey Joe might not think he is an investigator but he just graduated into the ranks. http://www.jfkcia.comMichael...here is the H.H. Grant article (he was called M.M. Grant in the article, but H.H. Grant in the police report)...Dallas, Nov. 21-UPI--A DALLAS BUILDER TODAY DENIED TODAY THAT HE HAD BEEN ARRESTED IN 1963 WITH LEE HARVEY OSWALD AND JACK RUBY IN AN OAK CLIFF ROOMING HOUSE--AFTER A REPORTED ALTERCATION.M.M. GRANT, 35, SAID HE WAS TAKEN TO THE DALLAS POLICE STATION (NOT LEGIBLE) IN OCTOBER OF THAT YEAR FOR QUESTIONING. (NOT LEGIBLE) TWO OTHER MEN ALSO QUESTIONED WERE RELEASED WHEN IT BECAME OBVIOUS THAT THE REPORT WAS A MISTAKEN (NOT LEGIBLE).DALLAS POLICE CHIEF CHARLES SATCHELOR (?) SAID DALLAS POLICE RECORDS SHOWED NO RECORD OF SUCH AN ARREST.GRANT'S STORY CAME TO LIGHT RECENTLY WHEN SEVERAL DALLAS NEWS-MEN GOT WIND OF THE POSSIBILITY THAT RUBY AND OSWALD MIGHT HAVE BEEN SEEN TOGETHER AT THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT. THE WARREN COMMISSION, REACHING THE CONCLUSION THAT BOTH APPARENTLY ACTED ALONE IN THEIR NOVEMBER, 1963 ACTIONS, INDICATED THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE THAT LINKED OSWALD TO THE FORMER NIGHTCLUB OWNER.GRANT, FORMERLY OF THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION IN DALLAS, DETROIT AND OTHER CITIES, NOW OPERATES A BUILDING FIRM IN DALLAS.IT IS REPORTED THAT GRANT HAS RECENTLY VISITED NEW ORLEANS FOR QUESTIONING BY DIST. ATTY. JIM GARRISON, WHO IS CURRENTLY INVESTIGATING PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY'S ASSASSINATION, ALONG WITH RELATED EVENTS THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE OCCURED IN THE LOUSIANA CITY IN MID-1963. GRANT DENIED THAT HE HAD EVER MET GARRISON AND THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY WAS NOT AVAILABLE FOR COMMENT.GRANT DENIED HE HAD EVER MET RUBY, BUT SAID HIS WIFE...