THE ABORT TEAM
Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:07 pm
Greetings to all of you!
My name is Erik van t Wout, and I live in Amsterdam - the Netherlands. I'm 45 years old. I'm NOT a CIA agent (or AIVD), although I'd love to be one, really.
I work for dutch television as a director of drama (police) series (like "Grijpstra & de Gier - RTL 4, and other)
What brought me here is:
-I've been reading about the JFK assasination for more than 20 years.
-and I've been forgetting about it for about the same amount of time ('cause there's other things a man's gotta do...and I have a bad memory)
-I'm very impressed with the knowledge about the JFK case that is displayed here on this site, and on this forum.
-my first book I read about this case was about a lie-detector study on Oswald's words "I'm just a patsy!" Oswald passed the test (of course).
-after that I read a LOT of books by many respected JFK researchers...starting with Mark Lane of course --I even read an extract of the Warren report!...and forgot about all of that later on--
-- 'cause I had other things to do, and because I have a bad memory--
- BUT: my real interest in all of this is of couse: the implications this might have... I mean...who knows....maybe next week?!
Suppose Jack Ruby's words (I'm paraphrasing: "the true facts will never come up above the world")
--suppose.....they WILL, next week.
"Are these persons in high positions, Jack?" - answer JR: "Yes!"
Well, SUPPOSE these people in high positions would indeed be exposed (alive or dead), then.... what?
Would I want that?
YES I do--of course in the name of truth and true democracy etc--
-- and meanwhile I'm not quite sure whether I'd be comfortable with the consequences (what about the interest-rates and all that, could I still afford living where I live...(pardon the unsuccesful joke).
Honestly: our minds in the west could be blown up more severely by THIS, than by anything "big" Al Quaida is cooking up for us--
--if these revelations ever really and seriously occur. And are accepted to be the tragic truth of America of the past decades, of the last century.... I have no idea what going to happen next.
OK, so....
obviously I'm interested in the WHOLE JFK case, the planning of the killing, the killing itself, and the cover-up which followed, but I consider it wise to choose ONE subject for now amongst the many many options, right?
So I'll narrow things down extremely now, and my choice at this instance would be: THE ABORT TEAM. This is not a random choice: I like the subject very much. And I am not very knowledgable on the subject.
(The problem being: I base the following on my experience and knowledge (despite bad memory) gathered by 20 years of reading on the case, and on my recent viewing of the DVD "I shot JFK". I haven't read the book "Files on JFK" yet! Shame on me, so maybe all my questions are answered by that book. If so, please discard me as a nitwit, and please forgive my impatience....
BUT--
From what I understand John Roselli was flown in by William Robert Plumlee, in order to ABORT the mission to kill JFK.
On finally arriving in Dallas (bad weather) he told Nicoletti: Let's not do it.
Nicoletti responded: You're not the boss, so I'll do it anyway.
Roselli said: well fine, but I'll not pull any trigger today.
Nicoletti concluded: You can do or not do whatever you think is best, but I go ahead anyway.
(Of course the above conversation was cooked up by me...., but it must have been somewhat along those lines...)
Anyway: Nicoletti realizes suddenly he is the only gunman now (on his own team)--
--Then he has a sudden brainwave, and that's where James Files get's promoted right then and there. From driver/researcher of the terrain --
--to back-up shooter.
Which eventually made him the executioner of the fatal and famous head-shot that killed JFK.
I would like to learn more about this. There MUST be people on this forum that could help me out here!
I am a filmdirector. I direct actors. That's my passion. In this case for example, I would have no idea how to direct the actor playing the part of Roselli during his confrontation with Nicoletti. With how much "hair on his chest" does Roselli enter this scene? How much power does he have really, as he is confronting Nicoletti. Why does he back away so easily, and lets Nicoletti pursue his plan anyway? Why does he give up so easily (after such a long flight, having such an obvious and mighty important objective to achieve?).
My questions summarized:
1) Roselli didn't persist. He had a highly important mission though. To abort the mission. Instead he sort of gentally stepped aside....why? Why didn't he actually ABORT IT ?
Didn't he have the power to do so? So why was he FLOWN IN?
2) Who gave Roselli the orders to abort the mission? It couldn't have been Roselli's own idea, surely? Who made him fly into Dallas to abort the mission to kill JFK?
3) So how come, after hearing out Roselli, Nicoletti went on with the mission anyway --ignoring Roselli-- and upgraded James Files's position on the spot?
Did Roselli call his boos and tell him: "Gee boss, they didn't agree with me, they wouldn't listen to me".
To me this is a strange tale, difficult to direct, and I'd like to learn more about it.
Anyone?
Lots of greetings,
Erik van t Wout
P>S> : I studied the 2003 interview with James Files with the eyes of a director with lots of experience in directing actors (and amateurs).
To me it would be inconceivable that Mr. Files acted all of this. Impossible!
My girlfriend (longtime actress) agreed with me. Files' answers are too decisive and prompt, his talent for improvisation would have to be better than that of de Niro or Hoffman (or Pierre Bokma from the Netherlands for that matter).
This man (Files) is an absolute natural, in my eyes. If this was carefully rehearsed, and if we, the audience, turn out to be looking at take 13 of each delivered speech: I promise I will quit my job, because in that case I have no legitimate reason to work on filmsets anymore and help actors understand scenes and help them find the appropiate ways to act these scenes.
I could not have directed Files, if he was in fact not the man he says he is, if he lied about what he has done. I would certainly have failed as a director on this project, and Files would have failed as an actor. But then, I'm no Francis or Sophia Coppola..... No, I believe Files is authentic. He NEEDS no direction. Because he's real.
As a director I have to work on the would-be's (i.e. the actors). Dogs and lions go their own way. They're really what they are, I leave them alone, I just film them.
James Files convinced me very much that he is the lion he says he is.
Greatings,
Erik
My name is Erik van t Wout, and I live in Amsterdam - the Netherlands. I'm 45 years old. I'm NOT a CIA agent (or AIVD), although I'd love to be one, really.
I work for dutch television as a director of drama (police) series (like "Grijpstra & de Gier - RTL 4, and other)
What brought me here is:
-I've been reading about the JFK assasination for more than 20 years.
-and I've been forgetting about it for about the same amount of time ('cause there's other things a man's gotta do...and I have a bad memory)
-I'm very impressed with the knowledge about the JFK case that is displayed here on this site, and on this forum.
-my first book I read about this case was about a lie-detector study on Oswald's words "I'm just a patsy!" Oswald passed the test (of course).
-after that I read a LOT of books by many respected JFK researchers...starting with Mark Lane of course --I even read an extract of the Warren report!...and forgot about all of that later on--
-- 'cause I had other things to do, and because I have a bad memory--
- BUT: my real interest in all of this is of couse: the implications this might have... I mean...who knows....maybe next week?!
Suppose Jack Ruby's words (I'm paraphrasing: "the true facts will never come up above the world")
--suppose.....they WILL, next week.
"Are these persons in high positions, Jack?" - answer JR: "Yes!"
Well, SUPPOSE these people in high positions would indeed be exposed (alive or dead), then.... what?
Would I want that?
YES I do--of course in the name of truth and true democracy etc--
-- and meanwhile I'm not quite sure whether I'd be comfortable with the consequences (what about the interest-rates and all that, could I still afford living where I live...(pardon the unsuccesful joke).
Honestly: our minds in the west could be blown up more severely by THIS, than by anything "big" Al Quaida is cooking up for us--
--if these revelations ever really and seriously occur. And are accepted to be the tragic truth of America of the past decades, of the last century.... I have no idea what going to happen next.
OK, so....
obviously I'm interested in the WHOLE JFK case, the planning of the killing, the killing itself, and the cover-up which followed, but I consider it wise to choose ONE subject for now amongst the many many options, right?
So I'll narrow things down extremely now, and my choice at this instance would be: THE ABORT TEAM. This is not a random choice: I like the subject very much. And I am not very knowledgable on the subject.
(The problem being: I base the following on my experience and knowledge (despite bad memory) gathered by 20 years of reading on the case, and on my recent viewing of the DVD "I shot JFK". I haven't read the book "Files on JFK" yet! Shame on me, so maybe all my questions are answered by that book. If so, please discard me as a nitwit, and please forgive my impatience....
BUT--
From what I understand John Roselli was flown in by William Robert Plumlee, in order to ABORT the mission to kill JFK.
On finally arriving in Dallas (bad weather) he told Nicoletti: Let's not do it.
Nicoletti responded: You're not the boss, so I'll do it anyway.
Roselli said: well fine, but I'll not pull any trigger today.
Nicoletti concluded: You can do or not do whatever you think is best, but I go ahead anyway.
(Of course the above conversation was cooked up by me...., but it must have been somewhat along those lines...)
Anyway: Nicoletti realizes suddenly he is the only gunman now (on his own team)--
--Then he has a sudden brainwave, and that's where James Files get's promoted right then and there. From driver/researcher of the terrain --
--to back-up shooter.
Which eventually made him the executioner of the fatal and famous head-shot that killed JFK.
I would like to learn more about this. There MUST be people on this forum that could help me out here!
I am a filmdirector. I direct actors. That's my passion. In this case for example, I would have no idea how to direct the actor playing the part of Roselli during his confrontation with Nicoletti. With how much "hair on his chest" does Roselli enter this scene? How much power does he have really, as he is confronting Nicoletti. Why does he back away so easily, and lets Nicoletti pursue his plan anyway? Why does he give up so easily (after such a long flight, having such an obvious and mighty important objective to achieve?).
My questions summarized:
1) Roselli didn't persist. He had a highly important mission though. To abort the mission. Instead he sort of gentally stepped aside....why? Why didn't he actually ABORT IT ?
Didn't he have the power to do so? So why was he FLOWN IN?
2) Who gave Roselli the orders to abort the mission? It couldn't have been Roselli's own idea, surely? Who made him fly into Dallas to abort the mission to kill JFK?
3) So how come, after hearing out Roselli, Nicoletti went on with the mission anyway --ignoring Roselli-- and upgraded James Files's position on the spot?
Did Roselli call his boos and tell him: "Gee boss, they didn't agree with me, they wouldn't listen to me".
To me this is a strange tale, difficult to direct, and I'd like to learn more about it.
Anyone?
Lots of greetings,
Erik van t Wout
P>S> : I studied the 2003 interview with James Files with the eyes of a director with lots of experience in directing actors (and amateurs).
To me it would be inconceivable that Mr. Files acted all of this. Impossible!
My girlfriend (longtime actress) agreed with me. Files' answers are too decisive and prompt, his talent for improvisation would have to be better than that of de Niro or Hoffman (or Pierre Bokma from the Netherlands for that matter).
This man (Files) is an absolute natural, in my eyes. If this was carefully rehearsed, and if we, the audience, turn out to be looking at take 13 of each delivered speech: I promise I will quit my job, because in that case I have no legitimate reason to work on filmsets anymore and help actors understand scenes and help them find the appropiate ways to act these scenes.
I could not have directed Files, if he was in fact not the man he says he is, if he lied about what he has done. I would certainly have failed as a director on this project, and Files would have failed as an actor. But then, I'm no Francis or Sophia Coppola..... No, I believe Files is authentic. He NEEDS no direction. Because he's real.
As a director I have to work on the would-be's (i.e. the actors). Dogs and lions go their own way. They're really what they are, I leave them alone, I just film them.
James Files convinced me very much that he is the lion he says he is.
Greatings,
Erik