R Croxford wrote:Greer is human and they make mistakes, This one he wept and asked for forgiveness from Jackie for it. Most witnesses say the car stopped damn near. I agree with that. Moo show me some facts on your rider causing the limo to slow down bro. That would be interesting. The speed didnt matter a well trained marksman can hit it moving or not. Greer looked back to see what was going on, naturally you let of the gas so you dont kill someone in front. Once he seen the President get hit he flew away like a lightning bolt. Fate had it that it helped the assassins.Peace
haven't found it YET, Crox, but here is some info that some enlightenend members will find useful ;
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Dealey Plaza Headwound Witnesses
By David Stahl
Modified and Adapted by John McAdams
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Name Vantage Point Location of Wound Reference Quotations & Remarks
James W. Altgens Grass, S. side of Elm St., to Kennedy's left front Left or right side CE 1407, 7H517-522 See comment below.
Comment: Altgens first told the FBI that the bullet struck President Kennedy on the right side of his head and that particles of flesh, blood and bones appeared to fly from the right side of Kennedy's head and "pass in front of Mrs. Kennedy" to the left of the limo. But then in Warren Commission testimony he said "There was flesh particles that flew out of the side of his head in my direction . . . so much so that it indicated to me that the shot came out of the left side of his head."
Interpretation: Altgens may have seen the right side of Kennedy's head explode, and then come to doubt his own perceptions when he inferred (wrongly) that brain matter flying toward him must indicate the left side of the head exploding. Or he may have meant that from his perspective it was the left side that exploded.
Hugh W. Betzner, Jr. Near corner, S. side of Elm Presumably top. See Remarks 19H467 Betzner saw a "flash of pink" and "fragments going up in the air" from the presidential limo.
Charles F. Brehm S. side of Elm St. Right side 22H837-838 See Comment.
Comment: Brehm stated that he saw JFK's hair fly up. From his position behind and to the left of the president, he could have clearly seen an explosion of the back of Kennedy's head, if there were such. In interview with Mark Lane, Brehm's hand motion described right side wound. See photo below.
Jack Franzen S. side of Elm Street, across from Knoll Top and side 22H840
Mrs. Jack Franzen Near plaza, S. side of Elm St. side 24H525 Like her husband, Mrs. Franzen stated that she observed blood appearing on the side of JFK's head.
Ruby Henderson N. of Houston, E. side of Elm St. 24H524 Mrs. Henderson stated that she heard a shot and what "was probably flesh" fly out of the presidential limo.
Jean Hill S. side of Elm St. Upper right side. See remarks. 6H209 From her position to JFK's left rear, Hill testified that she saw JFK's hair "ripple up."
Harry D. Holmes 5th Floor Office, 2 blks. away Presumably top, since brain matter went "upward" 7H291 Holmes testified that he saw--through his binoculars-- "dust" burst upward into the air off of JFK's head.
Jackie Kennedy In limo with husband Top - above the forehead Theodore White, In Search of History (Warner Books, 1978), pp. 521-522. See Comments
Comment: Jackie told Theodore White (in White's words):
She remembered, as I sat paralyzed, the pink-rose ridges on the inside of the skull, and how from here on down (she made a gesture just above her forhead) "his head was so beautiful. I tried to hold the top of his head down, maybe I could keep it in . . . but I knew he was dead."
Interpretation: Clear implication is that above the forhead, Kennedy's head was a mess. Jackie was apparently trying to hold the flap of skull (seen in the Zapruder film) down to keep her husband's brains in.
William E. Newman Halfway to underpass, N. side of Elm St. Right side 22H842; 24H219; Mark Oakes video; Six Seconds in Dallas, p. 103 Said he "was looking directly at [JFK] when he was hit in the side of the head." Described the right side of Kennedy's head exploding to Josiah Thompson, saying "the ear went." In Oakes video, his hand motion showed explosion of right side of head.
Gayle Newman Halfway to underpass, N. side of Elm St. Right side 22H842; 24H219, Mark Oakes video Stated in signed FBI affidavit that she saw JFK hit in the head and blood flowing from his body. In Mark Oakes video, her hand motion describes right side of head exploded.
Mark Oakes, in an important piece of historical documentation, interviewed both Bill and Gayle Newman, and videotaped the interviews. He explicitly asked both about the location of the head wound.
At right are still frames from Oakes video. Clicking on either still will download a video clip showing the witness describing the wound. To play the clip, you will need Real Player.
Video clips on this site are of too high a resolution to "stream." Rather, they should download to your hard drive, and you can play them from there.
Cleck here to e-mail Mark Oakes and ask for information on purchasing the video, which has numerous witnessess in addition to the Newmans.
Linda Kay Willis Near corner, S. side of Elm Told father "His whole head blew up, and it looked like a red halo." 7H498 Testified that she was about 25 feet from JFK when he received the headshot.
J. M. Head Unknown "Right side of his face" Houston Post, Nov. 23, 1963 Head said ". . . I looked at the President. It seemed like the whole right side of his face had been hit with a red paint brush."
Marlyn Sitzman Standing on pedestal near Pergola, to Kennedy's right Right side Interview with Josiah Thompson, files of AARC. Said she "could see his brains come out, you know, his head opening. . . it exploded his head, more or less." Where? "Between the eye and the ear."
Abraham Zapruder Standing on pedestal near Pergola Upper right side 7H569-576 Zapruder testifed that he, "heard a second shot and then saw [JFK's] head opened up..." Demonstrated right side of Kennedy's head exploding in interview on WFAA-TV.
Sam Holland On Triple Underpass directly above Elm Street Right side Six Seconds in Dallas, p. 105 Told Josiah Thompson the "whole right side" of Kennedy's head "including part of his face" had been blown off.
Clemon Earl Johnson On Triple Underpass directly above Elm Street Top Larry Snead, No More Silence, p. 80 "You could tell that the whole top of his head was probably missing . . . . "
Witnesses in Motorcade
Glenn Bennett Motorcade, follow up car Upper right rear 18H760 From the follow up car, Bennett testifed that he observed that "a second shot followed immediately and hit the right rear high of the President's head."
George W. Hickey, Jr. Motorcade, follow up car Upper right rear 18H761-764 "It looked to me like the President was struck in the right upper rear of his head. The last shot seemed to hit his head...which made him fall forward and to his left again."
Samuel A. Kinney Motorcade, follow up car Right side 18H731 Stated that he "saw one shot strike the President in the right side of the head."
David F. Powers Motorcade, follow up car Top of head 7H473 "...and then there was a third shot which took off the top of the President's head and had the sickening sound of a grapefruit splattering against the side of a wall."
Kenneth O'Donnell Motorcade, follow up car Side of head Johnny, We Hardly Knew Ye, pp. 27-28 ". . . the third shot took the side of his head off. We saw pieces of bone and brain tissue and bits of his redish hair flying through the air."
Emory P. Roberts Motorcade, follow up car Right side 18H734 "I saw what appeared to be a small explosion on the right side of the President's head...at which time he fell further to his left."
Dallas Police
Bobby W. Hargis Motorcade cycle, inboard left rear Right side 6H294-295, Interview with Tom Bethell and Al Oser, August 7, 1968. Told Oser and Bethell "All I saw was a splash come out on the other side."
B. J. Martin Motorcade cycle, outboard left rear 6H291-292 Martin testified that his uniform, cycle, and helmet was splattered with blood and brain matter. He did not comment on which side of the head the "explosion" took place.
Douglas Jackson Motorcade cycle, outboard right rear Right top Gary Savage, JFK First Day Evidence, p. 363 Wrote: "he appeared to have been hit just above the right ear. The top of his head flew off away from me."
Sheriff William Decker Motorcade, lead car 19H458 "I looked back over my shoulder and saw what appeared to me to be a spray of water come out of the rear seat of the President's car."
Problematic Dealey Plaza Witnesses
Interestingly, none of these witnesses was telling their present story in 1963-64.
Marilyn Willis Near Houston corner, S. side of Elm Back of Kennedy's head Video The Men Who Killed Kennedy, Reel 1, The Killing of a President, p. 87, 7H496 On 6/17/64, she told the FBI that she saw the top of Kennedy's head "blow off and ringed by a red halo."
Comment: Mrs. Willis described the wound in the 1988 video "The Men Who Killed Kennedy," and placed the wound on the posterior top of the head, with brain matter blown backward. Given her position directly behind JFK near the corner of Houston and Elm, she may have been correct about the location of the wound, and mistaken about the direction of the brain matter. If so, her 1964 statement and more recent ones are perfectly consistent.
Philip L. Willis Near corner, S. side of Elm Back of Kennedy's head Video The Men Who Killed Kennedy, The Killing of a President, p. 86, 7H496 Willis told Warren Commission that he did not see the headshot because he was looking in the direction of the TSBD during the third shot. He insisted that all shots came from the Depository.
Beverly Oliver S. side of Elm, near Brehm (claimed) Back of Kennedy's head Video The Case for Conspiracy, The Killing of a President, p. 86 Her story has massive credibility problems, and many researchers doubt that she was even in Dealey Plaza
Ed Hoffman On Stemmons, above entrance ramp from Elm Street. Varied Video The Case for Conspiracy, The Killing of a President, p. 87, Video Beyond JFK In Groden's video The Case for Conspiracy he insists the back of Kennedy's head was blown out, yet only a year earlier in Beyond JFK he showed the wound on the top of JFK's head. Doubtful he could see head wound with Jack and Clint Hill draped over President.
Charles Brehm, in Dealey Plaza shortly after the shooting, may be describing the head wound with the movement of this right hand. In a filmed interview with Mark Lane, an identical movement was used to describe the instant of the head shot. Note James Tague at far right.
Revised 8/10/01
Did the limo slow down? If so, why? Ask the driver.....
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Barry wrote:Guys,many thanks for your thoughts on this - very interesting.I have to say, however, I still can't buy the 'drivers collusion' theory. There are two real problems here.a) None of the available moving film shows the bunching or tailgating of cars in the way one would expect if the lead car was deliberately slowing things down. Check out the zfilm, Nix and Muchmore and you'll see what I mean. The momentum of the convoy seems pretty constant.I must admit that I haven't been able to view the Paschal film yet - though I have read the synopsis. There is no description in the synopsis of any 'unnatural slowing of the lead car'. If any of you guys have seen the Pascal film, I'd be very interested to hear your views.b) On a more basic level I can't accept 'driver collusion' because of the 'human' element involved; by which I mean: Even if Greer and Kellerman could have been persuaded to take part in the murder of a man that they both liked and respected (by all accounts), by doing so they would have placed themselves in mortal danger. They would have been asked to drive an open-top car into a rifle ambush with the target sitting barely four feet away from them. Given who and what - professionally speaking - Kellerman and Greer were, I can't see any way that they would have placed themselves so close to danger. Shooting a man from distance isn't a very exact science and there's no way that the driver's safety could have been guaranteed. They were highly trained men, they would have known that. A miss, ricochet, deflection or fragmentation could have killed one or both.As always, if you feel differently, please come back on this..Barry
(1) Look at the Zapruder film, and you'll see that, as the limo arrives near the kill zone, the convoy of vehicles behind the limo catch up to the limo, and almost over takes the limo. The convoy's speed seems constant to me. Therefore, it sure gives the appearance that the limo slows down. Hell yes, it slows down. Witnesses there even wondered why the limo was braking.
(2) It would be easy for the plotters of the crime to approach Greer and Kellerman with death threats on their family's lives if they were not to abide by the plotter's wishes. Pretty simple.
(1) Look at the Zapruder film, and you'll see that, as the limo arrives near the kill zone, the convoy of vehicles behind the limo catch up to the limo, and almost over takes the limo. The convoy's speed seems constant to me. Therefore, it sure gives the appearance that the limo slows down. Hell yes, it slows down. Witnesses there even wondered why the limo was braking.
(2) It would be easy for the plotters of the crime to approach Greer and Kellerman with death threats on their family's lives if they were not to abide by the plotter's wishes. Pretty simple.
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Clemens Lowenstein
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The driver doesn't necessarily have to be part of the conspiracy in order
to get the hits right, as mentioned above.
You still got the first shot, which should have been a lethal one, if you
consider the fact that professionals were working on it.
If not, you get the second shot quite nicely.
Let's put it that way: The ambush was sloppy, so it required a very late
lethal shot. This one the driver "helped" being achieved by slowing down
(a bit) or just not accelerating off. If everything went "fine",
the president would have been dead before the driver would have reacted.
I always wondered why the first shot missed entirely. Maybe the shooter
just wanted to get things started, but did not want to be the one who
actually killed the president.
to get the hits right, as mentioned above.
You still got the first shot, which should have been a lethal one, if you
consider the fact that professionals were working on it.
If not, you get the second shot quite nicely.
Let's put it that way: The ambush was sloppy, so it required a very late
lethal shot. This one the driver "helped" being achieved by slowing down
(a bit) or just not accelerating off. If everything went "fine",
the president would have been dead before the driver would have reacted.
I always wondered why the first shot missed entirely. Maybe the shooter
just wanted to get things started, but did not want to be the one who
actually killed the president.
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Kevin Fisher
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Clemens Lowenstein wrote:I always wondered why the first shot missed entirely. Maybe the shooter just wanted to get things started, but did not want to be the one who actually killed the president.
Yes! I've always wondered the same thing.
It seems odd doesn't it. You get a few professional hit men, who have practice the sequence over and over, and who have nerves of steel, and who's target is not yet reacting to anything unusual, so that the target is very stationary, and the first shot misses -- by a mile!
That leads me to conclude a few things:
(1) The gunmen got held up and got into position very late, and, for that reason, they were not able to "steady" themselves properly to shoot.
(2) The position of the shooter of the first shot was located at a strange angle to the limo, making a miss quite likely.
(3) Perhaps it was a deliberate tactic to create a diversion. Perhaps the plan was to create the illusion of shots from behind. Or perhaps the plan was to draw attention away from the other shooters with a diversionary shot.
Yes! I've always wondered the same thing.
It seems odd doesn't it. You get a few professional hit men, who have practice the sequence over and over, and who have nerves of steel, and who's target is not yet reacting to anything unusual, so that the target is very stationary, and the first shot misses -- by a mile!
That leads me to conclude a few things:
(1) The gunmen got held up and got into position very late, and, for that reason, they were not able to "steady" themselves properly to shoot.
(2) The position of the shooter of the first shot was located at a strange angle to the limo, making a miss quite likely.
(3) Perhaps it was a deliberate tactic to create a diversion. Perhaps the plan was to create the illusion of shots from behind. Or perhaps the plan was to draw attention away from the other shooters with a diversionary shot.
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Re: Decker driver was Benny's bagman
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Re: Binion Decker Book...
Moo Cow wrote:Benny Binion book, Captain Will Fritz book, and Sheriff Bill Decker book. Behind those cold blue eyes was an ingenious mind capable of adapting to any environment. Fate would one day dictate that he would dominate the Mafia hierarchy and the tough, streetwise punks of the streets of Dallas. $48.51 with tax and FREE shipping!
With this connection linked to Decker perhaps being asked to slow down "just a little" , perhaps long enough for the shots to have hit their mark. Time was very important here, a key factor, everyone of the bad guy's had their watches set down to the second, so they all had their clocks in unison, think about it. This is a key factor when a GROUP plans a crime.
Decker being at the time employed by the Notorious Benny Binion would show just cause why the Binion family would have been the one to maybe pay off Decker and made sure he drove SLOW. The only thing I don't like is the statement from this book about 'streetwise punks of Dallas", give me a break, those redneck faggots in Dallas would run from any gang, Chicano, or otherwise. I used to live in Texas, most texans are racist scum, this is general opinion.
Getting back to the piont here he makes himself look credible, when perhaps just such a person could have been instrumental in making sure thinks went A OK.
http://www.namebase.org/main1/Bill-_28d ... ecker.html
So with that thinking, perhaps certain Jfk theories that have been brought up in the past were made to decieve people from the REAL STORY.
With this connection linked to Decker perhaps being asked to slow down "just a little" , perhaps long enough for the shots to have hit their mark. Time was very important here, a key factor, everyone of the bad guy's had their watches set down to the second, so they all had their clocks in unison, think about it. This is a key factor when a GROUP plans a crime.
Decker being at the time employed by the Notorious Benny Binion would show just cause why the Binion family would have been the one to maybe pay off Decker and made sure he drove SLOW. The only thing I don't like is the statement from this book about 'streetwise punks of Dallas", give me a break, those redneck faggots in Dallas would run from any gang, Chicano, or otherwise. I used to live in Texas, most texans are racist scum, this is general opinion.
Getting back to the piont here he makes himself look credible, when perhaps just such a person could have been instrumental in making sure thinks went A OK.
http://www.namebase.org/main1/Bill-_28d ... ecker.html
So with that thinking, perhaps certain Jfk theories that have been brought up in the past were made to decieve people from the REAL STORY.
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Re: Binion Decker Book...
Raul Valdez wrote:Decker being at the time employed by the Notorious Benny Binion would show just cause why the Binion family would have been the one to maybe pay off Decker and made sure he drove SLOW.
Where is this assertion coming from that Sheriff Decker was "employed" by Benny Binion? That is not Jim Gatewood's position. The blurb about his book, on his website, says:
"While Elliot Ness and his "Untouchables" were fighting Al Capone in Chicago, Bill Decker was fighting crime in the city of Dallas. He ( unlike Ness) had no federal funds or shotgun squads to back him up. Sheriff Bill Decker was a "Modern Knight," alone without any armor in a dangerous land. He was armed only with his ironclad morals, courage, determination, and his favorite weapon: the Thompson Sub-machinegun."
Some historians have pointed out that killing Oswald in the basement of the Dallas Police Department was absolutely necessary to prevent the transfer from taking place because of Decker's integrity.
The pace of Decker's lead car in the motorcade didn't hold the limo back in Dealey Plaza, as can be seen from the photos which clearly show Decker's car way ahead.
Tim
Where is this assertion coming from that Sheriff Decker was "employed" by Benny Binion? That is not Jim Gatewood's position. The blurb about his book, on his website, says:
"While Elliot Ness and his "Untouchables" were fighting Al Capone in Chicago, Bill Decker was fighting crime in the city of Dallas. He ( unlike Ness) had no federal funds or shotgun squads to back him up. Sheriff Bill Decker was a "Modern Knight," alone without any armor in a dangerous land. He was armed only with his ironclad morals, courage, determination, and his favorite weapon: the Thompson Sub-machinegun."
Some historians have pointed out that killing Oswald in the basement of the Dallas Police Department was absolutely necessary to prevent the transfer from taking place because of Decker's integrity.
The pace of Decker's lead car in the motorcade didn't hold the limo back in Dealey Plaza, as can be seen from the photos which clearly show Decker's car way ahead.
Tim
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Re: Binion Decker Book...
Tim Carroll wrote:Raul Valdez wrote:Decker being at the time employed by the Notorious Benny Binion would show just cause why the Binion family would have been the one to maybe pay off Decker and made sure he drove SLOW.Where is this assertion coming from that Sheriff Decker was "employed" by Benny Binion? That is not Jim Gatewood's position. The blurb about his book, on his website, says:"While Elliot Ness and his "Untouchables" were fighting Al Capone in Chicago, Bill Decker was fighting crime in the city of Dallas. He ( unlike Ness) had no federal funds or shotgun squads to back him up. Sheriff Bill Decker was a "Modern Knight," alone without any armor in a dangerous land. He was armed only with his ironclad morals, courage, determination, and his favorite weapon: the Thompson Sub-machinegun."Some historians have pointed out that killing Oswald in the basement of the Dallas Police Department was absolutely necessary to prevent the transfer from taking place because of Decker's integrity. The pace of Decker's lead car in the motorcade didn't hold the limo back in Dealey Plaza, as can be seen from the photos which clearly show Decker's car way ahead.Tim
Tim, I have read a lot of your posts and respect your opinion. The assertion that Sheriff Decker was "employed" by Benny Binion is true. Was he not at one time Binion's bag men ? Which the term itself can be described as one who carries out favors, not carrying bags. I read this somewhere, where I cannot remember, anyone know ?
This last part of your quote here;
The pace of Decker's lead car in the motorcade didn't hold the limo back in Dealey Plaza, as can be seen from the photos which clearly show Decker's car way ahead.
Wll that can be maybe construed as opinion, not neccessarily fact, not saying one of is right and one wrong here, just a varied opinion of fact
One opinion may say he was driving too slow, one says tomato, one says tomota, anyways I just found info on Decker which I have read only half so far, seems interesting folks, wherein DECKER states;
I have another much stronger reason for knowing Oswald never shot JFK. There’s a man in Dallas I’ve known a long time, he knows the entire truth about Oswald’s involvement. He’s scared to death to go to the Dallas PD or FBI. There’s been a terrible double cross somewhere and everybody is scared shitless of everyone else. You would never believe all the accusations and crazy suspicions heaped on law enforcement in Texas by imbeciles in D.C. and the chaos it has created
http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/Critical_S ... ap_44.html
Tim, I have read a lot of your posts and respect your opinion. The assertion that Sheriff Decker was "employed" by Benny Binion is true. Was he not at one time Binion's bag men ? Which the term itself can be described as one who carries out favors, not carrying bags. I read this somewhere, where I cannot remember, anyone know ?
This last part of your quote here;
The pace of Decker's lead car in the motorcade didn't hold the limo back in Dealey Plaza, as can be seen from the photos which clearly show Decker's car way ahead.
Wll that can be maybe construed as opinion, not neccessarily fact, not saying one of is right and one wrong here, just a varied opinion of fact
One opinion may say he was driving too slow, one says tomato, one says tomota, anyways I just found info on Decker which I have read only half so far, seems interesting folks, wherein DECKER states;
I have another much stronger reason for knowing Oswald never shot JFK. There’s a man in Dallas I’ve known a long time, he knows the entire truth about Oswald’s involvement. He’s scared to death to go to the Dallas PD or FBI. There’s been a terrible double cross somewhere and everybody is scared shitless of everyone else. You would never believe all the accusations and crazy suspicions heaped on law enforcement in Texas by imbeciles in D.C. and the chaos it has created
http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/Critical_S ... ap_44.html