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My apologies if this has been discussed
elsewhere, but this is a MUST READ!

http://www.jfkresearch.com/eaglesham/page1.jpg

If that is David Morales, he is ruled out as
being a shooter/on the 6th floor.

My main interest is in Lucien Conein.

Now, read this article (lengthy, but
worth it).
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/corsicans.htm

It describes how close Conein and Ed Lansdale
were to each other, and to the Corsican Mafia.
We already KNOW that Lansdale was there
that day-was Conein, also? That photo sure looks
like him!

Conein is described in the book, "The Great
Zapruder Film Hoax" as a master operational
planner. Could he and Lansdale have been
co-planners of the assassination, using their
Corsican buddies as mechanics?

LTC Dan Marvin has stated in this forum that
he was told by the CIA that French-Corsican
shooters were on the motorcade route. Maybe
Steve Rivele's research wasn't so far off track,
after all!

Before anyone is tempted to jump my case,
I believe Jimmy Files, but I also think he
hasn't told us a lot-he said so himself-or
maybe he really doesn't know anything
about this aspect of the operation.

Any comments?

Brian,

The first story cuts off after the first page. Here is the rest of it...

http://jfkresearch.com/eaglesham/page1.jpg

http://jfkresearch.com/eaglesham/page2.jpg

http://jfkresearch.com/eaglesham/page3.jpg

http://jfkresearch.com/eaglesham/page4.jpg

http://jfkresearch.com/eaglesham/page5.jpg

http://jfkresearch.com/eaglesham/page6.jpg

http://jfkresearch.com/eaglesham/page7.jpg

This is the site that this came from...

http://jfkresearch.com/

I will continue to read and look through all of this. It is interesting. The Corsican connection is another theory that definitely needs to be looked at, as Dan Marvin suggests. However, also remember that Dangerous Dan also believes in Jimmy Files' story. They can be connected. The shooters all had their own assignments, and that was it. They didn't know about who else was involved. Speaking of Lansdale, we know that there were also explosives in one of the rail cars if need be. The perpetrators of this conspiracy were going to do whatever it took to kill JFK that day in Dealey Plaza, or die trying.

Hello Bob-

Thanks for posting the links
to the other pages of the article-
I should have done it, but I assumed
people would be able to figure it out
themselves.

I'm sure this was a compartmentalized
operation-nobody knew everything
that was going on- except Lansdale
and Conein, most likely.

I've always believed that the explosives
in the railcar were simply to give C.
Holt & Co. a cover story in case they were
caught- which is what happened.They all
had fake ATF credentials,and claimed
they were working on a case.I don't see
how blowing up the train was going to
hurt/kill anyone in the limo-way too
chancey, and a conspiracy would
be obvious-no lone shooter to
blame at that point!

Knowing the links Conein & Lansdale
had with the Corsicans, it's impossible
for me to believe they weren't
involved.Bruce Brychek said that
Lucien Sarti was in Paris, but never
explained how he knew that.

Thanks for your reply to the post.

Brian.

Good input Brian. The explosives in the rail car were perhaps a cover for Holt and the others. Or perhaps they were going to be used in a diversionary way to help the REAL assassins escape if need be. Lansdale is a key figure however. Wim had this to say about Lansdale in a previous post...Bob, did you know that Chauncey was asked by his daughter about Edward Lansdale? His answer was rather interesting. He said, and I will do this from memory for it will take me some time to look up the fragment of the interview, for his exact words, but it was something like this: Well, I don't know if he was involved or not , but when we strolled along over the Plaza, a man passed us in the opposite direction and it could have been his twin brother.

Bob wrote:Good input Brian. The explosives in the rail car were perhaps a cover for Holt and the others. Or perhaps they were going to be used in a diversionary way to help the REAL assassins escape if need be. Lansdale is a key figure however. Wim had this to say about Lansdale in a previous post...Bob, did you know that Chauncey was asked by his daughter about Edward Lansdale? His answer was rather interesting. He said, and I will do this from memory for it will take me some time to look up the fragment of the interview, for his exact words, but it was something like this: Well, I don't know if he was involved or not , but when we strolled along over the Plaza, a man passed us in the opposite direction and it could have been his twin brother.


IS THAT STATEMENT IN ONE OF HIS VIDEOTAPED (or audiotaped) INTERVIEWS???

I gotta hear that if it exists!

Thanks,

RC

[quote="Bob"]Brian,

The first story cuts off after the first page. Here is the rest of it...

http://jfkresearch.com/eaglesham/page1.jpg

http://jfkresearch.com/eaglesham/page2.jpg

http://jfkresearch.com/eaglesham/page3.jpg

http://jfkresearch.com/eaglesham/page4.jpg

http://jfkresearch.com/eaglesham/page5.jpg

http://jfkresearch.com/eaglesham/page6.jpg

http://jfkresearch.com/eaglesham/page7.jpg

This is the site that this came from...

http://jfkresearch.com/

[/quote]


Who da thunk it! Bob posting all of those Eaglesham links - after calling him names and demeaning his research previously...I guess if the research fits Bob's agenda then you can use it!

Once AGAIN, MORE disinformation. But what would one expect from that person. First off, I posted the WHOLE article that already WAS posted by Brian for all to read. Unlike some, I feel that ALL information to this case needs to be reviewed. People can come to their own conclusions. The author (Alan Eaglesham) wrote another article (that Wim posted previously) where some facts were right and some were wrong. Eaglesham got help from Bob Vernon for the article. Everyone knows that Bob Vernon and Wim are not best friends. The article that Wim posted from Eaglesham was trying to discredit Jimmy Files. That's what a lot of disinformation people do, whether they are lone nut theorists or other JFK assassination websites that don't come to the same conclusion Wim does. Again, whenever there is real discussion going on, watch what the disinformation folks do. They change the subject or try to keep the focus off the real subject at hand. Or they call other people names and try to just be a troll. Bottom line, is they just aren't BELIEVABLE.

Richard Carter wrote:Bob wrote:Good input Brian. The explosives in the rail car were perhaps a cover for Holt and the others. Or perhaps they were going to be used in a diversionary way to help the REAL assassins escape if need be. Lansdale is a key figure however. Wim had this to say about Lansdale in a previous post...Bob, did you know that Chauncey was asked by his daughter about Edward Lansdale? His answer was rather interesting. He said, and I will do this from memory for it will take me some time to look up the fragment of the interview, for his exact words, but it was something like this: Well, I don't know if he was involved or not , but when we strolled along over the Plaza, a man passed us in the opposite direction and it could have been his twin brother. IS THAT STATEMENT IN ONE OF HIS VIDEOTAPED (or audiotaped) INTERVIEWS??? I gotta hear that if it exists!Thanks, RC


That statement is in the videotape with his daughter.

It must be noted that Files has admitted in 2006 that a few minutes before the motorcade arrived he had a visitor behind the fence. He was there alone when he took the shot. But he says that shortly before Edward Lansdale came to check on him wether he was in position.


In the same interview Chauncey also speculates about the meaning of the explosives in the boxcar where they were instructed to seek refuge. He thinks it may have been a backup plan in case the Oswald plan went wrong. They could have blown up the car and then te remains of three knows mafia hitmen would have been found. Maybe worse than Oswald, but still plausibe denial.

That is why Chauncey always felt as duped as Oswald, and that is why he gets tears in his eyes when he talkes about Oswald:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyEY92tEA8Y


Wim

It must be noted that Files has admitted in 2006 that a few minutes before the motorcade arrived he had a visitor behind the fence. He was there alone when he took the shot. But he says that shortly before Edward Lansdale came to check on him wether he was in position.- Wim

Fascinating. Couple that with who Chauncey Holt saw passing by him later.

Here is a deposition of Edward Lansdale. You can click on the pages to the left to see the entire deposition...

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archi ... elPageId=1

We also have this...

In the 1990s interest in Lansdale was sparked, in part, by the inclusion of a character named "General Y" in the 1991 Oliver Stone film JFK. It was inferred that Lansdale was "General Y", the operational head of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963. This theory was inspired by questions raised about Lansdale's presence in Dealey Plaza by a former colleague, L. Fletcher Prouty, who claimed to have recognized Lansdale in a photograph taken that day by a Dallas Morning News photographer immediately after the assassination. The photo allegedly shows Lansdale walking away from "the three tramps" who were arrested by Dallas police. L. Fletcher Prouty worked next door to Lansdale for 9 years and recognized the shape of his head, class ring and the stoop in his walk. The third tramp's body is blocked from view but for his feet. Although many speculative identities for the "tramps" have been offered, Prouty's identification of Lansdale has been corroborated by Lt. General Victor H. Krulak.

So Prouty claims he recognized Lansdale from the photo. Holt thinks he saw him and Files DID see him.

See this...

http://www.prouty.org/photos.html

Look at the first photo of the three tramps and Lansdale walking by. The last tramp in the photo was Chauncey Holt. Lansdale was virtually inches from the three tramps. Holt had to know WHO he was.