Bruce Patrick Brychek wrote:Tim, I'll be on Investigations until Friday, or Monday. Take care Big Guy. Argue with you later.
Right back at ya. Good luck with those investigations.
Tim
ACCARDO: THE GENUINE GODFATHER:
Re: Wim On Marilyn Monroe's Murder
Tim Carroll wrote:It is incredibly low for Wim to have recently and privately protested any discussion of MM, gain an assurance from me that I won't discuss it, and then use the subject himself. It's the depth of hypocracy. Tim
You misunderstood, Tim. Files was the one who doesn't care to discuss it. Not me. I just don't want to discuss a certain aspect of it. You know which. Files by the way, was not part of the killers. He dropped them off at the airport.
Now if you would have the book, you would have known all that already.
But you don't want to spend the money, you want to read the free website , assume that's all there is to know and it has cost me nothing to assemble that. On top of that you have shown to take part of the information that is NOT there (and was given to you in confidence), then publish it selectively elsewhere, in order to discredit the information. Despite all this you asked to be let back on this forum, which I did.
I must say you have quite a nerve to call me "incredibly low".
I delete posts that compare other forum members to "prostitutes", especially when they concern one of my most repected friends.
Wim
You misunderstood, Tim. Files was the one who doesn't care to discuss it. Not me. I just don't want to discuss a certain aspect of it. You know which. Files by the way, was not part of the killers. He dropped them off at the airport.
Now if you would have the book, you would have known all that already.
But you don't want to spend the money, you want to read the free website , assume that's all there is to know and it has cost me nothing to assemble that. On top of that you have shown to take part of the information that is NOT there (and was given to you in confidence), then publish it selectively elsewhere, in order to discredit the information. Despite all this you asked to be let back on this forum, which I did.
I must say you have quite a nerve to call me "incredibly low".
I delete posts that compare other forum members to "prostitutes", especially when they concern one of my most repected friends.
Wim
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Tim Carroll
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Re: Wim On Marilyn Monroe's Murder
dankbaar wrote:I must say you have quite a nerve to call "incredibly low". I delete posts that compare other forum members to "prostitutes", especially when they concern one of my most repected friends.
Given my years of scholarship and good faith pursuit of historical truth, when someone asserts that I'm not qualified to discuss history unless I purchase a particular product, that is salesmanship being practiced in an inappropriate context, hence my use of the offending term, used in a qualified manner, "like a prostitute." I wasn't calling anyone, or anyone's friend a prostitute.
Now as for my beloved President and what kind of language is appropriate there. When someone advocates or defends the assassination of an American president, I say that by definition, such assassination is treason. Ipso Facto. Those are my explanations.
As you know, I have responded privately with the reminder of the assertion that I had made less than a week ago, at your private request. What I said was (and it's not a betrayal of confidence to quote myself): "Thanks for constructive follow-up and corroborating materials. I will never again raise any exception to the Chicago airport story." In the context of that recent exchange, your posting about the Marilyn Monroe story was dishonorable. Have you chosen to open up that discussion now?
Tim
Given my years of scholarship and good faith pursuit of historical truth, when someone asserts that I'm not qualified to discuss history unless I purchase a particular product, that is salesmanship being practiced in an inappropriate context, hence my use of the offending term, used in a qualified manner, "like a prostitute." I wasn't calling anyone, or anyone's friend a prostitute.
Now as for my beloved President and what kind of language is appropriate there. When someone advocates or defends the assassination of an American president, I say that by definition, such assassination is treason. Ipso Facto. Those are my explanations.
As you know, I have responded privately with the reminder of the assertion that I had made less than a week ago, at your private request. What I said was (and it's not a betrayal of confidence to quote myself): "Thanks for constructive follow-up and corroborating materials. I will never again raise any exception to the Chicago airport story." In the context of that recent exchange, your posting about the Marilyn Monroe story was dishonorable. Have you chosen to open up that discussion now?
Tim
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Historical Integrity
dankbaar wrote:Files was the one who doesn't care to discuss it. Not me. I just don't want to discuss a certain aspect of it. You know which.
Am I now to be constrained or censored because of Files' feelings? He didn't care about the feelings of millions of people all over the world, or the longterm damage to the world, of killing President Kennedy. If people who get their information from Files can cite history as erroneously as the stuff about the Bay of Pigs, then his story is being over-applied to his gossip, rather than matters of his direct knowledge and experience. He calls the Bay of Pigs "Chianos Bay" when it is "Bahia de Cochinos." Only 114 men died as a result of that fiasco, not 2,000. And Kennedy could not have called it off without 1,500 trained saboteurs hanging around Miami pissed off at Kennedy before he'd been in office three months. He had also been given a deadline by the President of Guatemala to have the Brigade out of the country by the end of April.
For the record, since everyone thinks I'm so against Files' story of Dealey Plaza, I am not. What I'm against is the ancillary history and interpretation that he propounds which is of a gossipy, indirect nature. Unless he was in the room, he doesn't know who gave the MM order. Therefore, it's hearsay. My only argument about the Dealey Plaza part of his story is that it seems unlikely, but not impossible, that he would be assigned a shooting role and choice of location and weapon just two hours before the hit.
But I don't defer to Files' knowledge of history and international relations. Again, regarding his emotional feelings about Kennedy's supposed betrayal of the anti-Castro forces at the Bay of Pigs by not sending in air support which Kennedy had made clear all along would not be used, consider this story from an article of mine:
"Kennedy never gave up on his prohibition of American military forces. The president was therefore strongly influenced by a telegram he received from Col. Jack Hawkins, who, after inspecting the Cuban exile force, wrote that they “do not expect help from the U.S. armed forces.â€
Am I now to be constrained or censored because of Files' feelings? He didn't care about the feelings of millions of people all over the world, or the longterm damage to the world, of killing President Kennedy. If people who get their information from Files can cite history as erroneously as the stuff about the Bay of Pigs, then his story is being over-applied to his gossip, rather than matters of his direct knowledge and experience. He calls the Bay of Pigs "Chianos Bay" when it is "Bahia de Cochinos." Only 114 men died as a result of that fiasco, not 2,000. And Kennedy could not have called it off without 1,500 trained saboteurs hanging around Miami pissed off at Kennedy before he'd been in office three months. He had also been given a deadline by the President of Guatemala to have the Brigade out of the country by the end of April.
For the record, since everyone thinks I'm so against Files' story of Dealey Plaza, I am not. What I'm against is the ancillary history and interpretation that he propounds which is of a gossipy, indirect nature. Unless he was in the room, he doesn't know who gave the MM order. Therefore, it's hearsay. My only argument about the Dealey Plaza part of his story is that it seems unlikely, but not impossible, that he would be assigned a shooting role and choice of location and weapon just two hours before the hit.
But I don't defer to Files' knowledge of history and international relations. Again, regarding his emotional feelings about Kennedy's supposed betrayal of the anti-Castro forces at the Bay of Pigs by not sending in air support which Kennedy had made clear all along would not be used, consider this story from an article of mine:
"Kennedy never gave up on his prohibition of American military forces. The president was therefore strongly influenced by a telegram he received from Col. Jack Hawkins, who, after inspecting the Cuban exile force, wrote that they “do not expect help from the U.S. armed forces.â€
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ACCARDO: THE GENUINE GODFATHER:
Dear Mr. Wim Dankbaar, and Fellow JFK Forum Members,
If you doubt the power of the Chicago Mafia, you must read this book.
JFK'S first "major cancelled assassination plot" which was to occur in Chicago was cancelled to protect the images of Tony Accardo, Sam Giancanna, and Mayor Richard J. Daley because they were all alive and in Chicago, running Chicago.
If you have the power to re-locate the assassination of a President of the US, you must be involved somehow ?????
Mayor Richard J. Daley was the first mayor in the history of the US to be invited to stay in the White House after JFK'S Election. Why?
I would appreciate hearing from anybody who has read this book.
Respectfully,
Bruce Patrick Brychek.
If you doubt the power of the Chicago Mafia, you must read this book.
JFK'S first "major cancelled assassination plot" which was to occur in Chicago was cancelled to protect the images of Tony Accardo, Sam Giancanna, and Mayor Richard J. Daley because they were all alive and in Chicago, running Chicago.
If you have the power to re-locate the assassination of a President of the US, you must be involved somehow ?????
Mayor Richard J. Daley was the first mayor in the history of the US to be invited to stay in the White House after JFK'S Election. Why?
I would appreciate hearing from anybody who has read this book.
Respectfully,
Bruce Patrick Brychek.
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Bruce Patrick Brychek
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Support Of Mr. Wim Dankbaar's Recent Accardo Post:
Dear Mr. Wim Dankbaar, and Fellow JFK Forum Members,
Wim recently posted a thread about Tony Accardo. In support of that, I strongly suggest that anyone interested in obtaining an accurate accounting of the Chicago Mafia, Tony Accardo, and Sam Giancanna, and their related escapades, should definitely read this book.
Sam Giancanna was Tony Accardo's right hand man.
Charles Nicoletti was Sam Giancanna's right hand man.
Jimmy Files was Charles Nicoletti's right hand man.
Respectfully,
Bruce Patrick Brychek.
Wim recently posted a thread about Tony Accardo. In support of that, I strongly suggest that anyone interested in obtaining an accurate accounting of the Chicago Mafia, Tony Accardo, and Sam Giancanna, and their related escapades, should definitely read this book.
Sam Giancanna was Tony Accardo's right hand man.
Charles Nicoletti was Sam Giancanna's right hand man.
Jimmy Files was Charles Nicoletti's right hand man.
Respectfully,
Bruce Patrick Brychek.
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Re: TIM CARROLL QUIT CRYING:
Bruce Patrick Brychek wrote:Dear Mr. Tim Carroll,I have reviewed your email.Everyone who reads books about JFK knows that he ordered her death.However, I did not know that you could not talk about her death. For that I am sorry. Therefore, so you quit crying, I won't bring up Marilyn Monroe again. I notice that you only respond to what you can cry about ?????????Besides you've already admitted that JFK and RFK ordered it, as we bothknow.QUERRY: What did JFK stand for on anything of value that wasn't sexual,(God there I go again being a prude) ?Respectfully,Bruce Patrick Brychek.
I don't believet his for a minute... Momo Giancana behind her death and tried to pin it on the Kennedys....I will get back to this later...this board is not my total obsession...
I don't believet his for a minute... Momo Giancana behind her death and tried to pin it on the Kennedys....I will get back to this later...this board is not my total obsession...
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LOL
Timmy still arguing. Man still pissed after all these years. hehe.
Do you think you are going to change Wim or Bruce's thinking?
UH, No. So why argue? You do not believe him right. I will say one thing about Bruce. He is right when it comes to not reading, or not consuming information on your part. Instead of maybe agreeing with the CFR idea I have, you attacked it. Anyone with any capability of adding 2+2 can fathom that maybe just maybe the CFR has a part in the murder. You called it outdated and some right wing plot because thats the way you are programmed. To deny everything that YOU do not understand. Can you prove the leading members of the CFR were not involved in the murder of JFK? If you can please do. Because you wrote them off as easy as you are trying to write off Wim and Bruce. You think that one question posed to Wim is going to answer all the questions you desire?
I am in here to talk to other that are truly concerned with the world and the people who are manipulating it. I enjoy DISCUSSING all possible theories with the members in here. DO I BELIEVE EVERYONE? NO! Do I go around calling them liars and trying to debunk them? no! I wrote some pretty deep s&^% in here and all they say is that is some pretty deep s%$#. No one calling me crazy, saying there is no way that is plausable. You want some typing to do, go argue with Mr. Pennyworth. Man, you will be a very busy man.
Do you think Garrison was on the up and up when he launched that investigation into who killed Kennedy? Or..........................
Was it to flush out possible people who would run their mouths and then whack them.... Eh? Right before his convenient case against a known CIA agent, the country was getting a little pissed at the fact maybe someone killed Kennedy in our government. So what would the best approach to that be? Give em what they want. At least make them think that when in reality your giving them absolute S%^$! In return for his faithful service to the country. He became a high court judge. People say" Clay shaw was CIA that proved they were involved"? Yeah in smoke and mirrors to confuse us even more. Then again in the 70's when the public once again got pissed and started asking questions?? What happened? They gave them what they wanted. Absolutly nothing.
Ask Files this question: Where does Clay Shaw AKA Guy Banister or David Ferrie fit in his plan?? Does he know either of them?
Peace! Damn I got all caught up in Timmy again. LOL
Do you think you are going to change Wim or Bruce's thinking?
UH, No. So why argue? You do not believe him right. I will say one thing about Bruce. He is right when it comes to not reading, or not consuming information on your part. Instead of maybe agreeing with the CFR idea I have, you attacked it. Anyone with any capability of adding 2+2 can fathom that maybe just maybe the CFR has a part in the murder. You called it outdated and some right wing plot because thats the way you are programmed. To deny everything that YOU do not understand. Can you prove the leading members of the CFR were not involved in the murder of JFK? If you can please do. Because you wrote them off as easy as you are trying to write off Wim and Bruce. You think that one question posed to Wim is going to answer all the questions you desire?
I am in here to talk to other that are truly concerned with the world and the people who are manipulating it. I enjoy DISCUSSING all possible theories with the members in here. DO I BELIEVE EVERYONE? NO! Do I go around calling them liars and trying to debunk them? no! I wrote some pretty deep s&^% in here and all they say is that is some pretty deep s%$#. No one calling me crazy, saying there is no way that is plausable. You want some typing to do, go argue with Mr. Pennyworth. Man, you will be a very busy man.
Do you think Garrison was on the up and up when he launched that investigation into who killed Kennedy? Or..........................
Was it to flush out possible people who would run their mouths and then whack them.... Eh? Right before his convenient case against a known CIA agent, the country was getting a little pissed at the fact maybe someone killed Kennedy in our government. So what would the best approach to that be? Give em what they want. At least make them think that when in reality your giving them absolute S%^$! In return for his faithful service to the country. He became a high court judge. People say" Clay shaw was CIA that proved they were involved"? Yeah in smoke and mirrors to confuse us even more. Then again in the 70's when the public once again got pissed and started asking questions?? What happened? They gave them what they wanted. Absolutly nothing.
Ask Files this question: Where does Clay Shaw AKA Guy Banister or David Ferrie fit in his plan?? Does he know either of them?
Peace! Damn I got all caught up in Timmy again. LOL
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Re: ACCARDO: THE GENUINE GODFATHER:
Robert DeNiro, who previously played Al Capone alongside ofKevin Costner in the movie The Untouchables, is playing another monumental part of True Mafia Power.Robert DeNiro is playing Anthony "Joe Batters' Accardo ina movie currently beginning production in Chicago, Illinois.Often almost invisible, Tony Accardo was The Quiet Legendin Chicago, Illinois. He avoided the infamous names attachedto Al Capone.But the legend of Tony Accardo was greatly exceeded by hisReal Power.His relationship to the JFK Assassination is, and was alwaysburied.Dealey Joe