Files says he put the spent casing on the stockade fence just after ejecting it and biting it. I can believe this based on the shells discovered later on with bite marks in them. However, S.M. Holland said that within seconds to moments after the assassination, he and other railyroad employees were behind the fence looking for what they thought was the assassin, or any traces of. He said there was at least 15 officers and regular clothed men behind the fence at the time. He said they all looked for bullet shells, or some indication. They found none. Nothing but cigarette butts, and muddied bumper in the 'hatman' position(which is where Files is said to of stood). Files did not mention anything of smoking before the assassination. He also did not mention of standing on a bumper to fire the shot. No one found the shell casing immediately, so it must have been picked up by authorities right? Well, why on earth would they put them back in the plaza? Why not hide them, destroy them? Flush em down the toilet?
I still think I believe Files confession, however, since knoll was raided moments after the assassination, and Files was already gone, leaving the shell casing behind, How did it get picked up? By whom? Why did they leave it in the plaza to be discovered? And why does Files not mention smoking or standing on a bumper which is what was found in the spot where he did the shooting.
The spent shell casing.
Tommy,
If you read the website first (or the book) you wouldn't need asking these questions.
Bump again
http://jfkmurdersolved.com/interview.htm
What else did you check?
Much more, there was more than enough skepsis. Another statement was that Files would never have had the time to do all the things he said he did. He states that he has bitten the shell casing after the shot and left it there on the on the picket fence on the grassy knoll. Then he put the weapon back in his briefcase and turned his jacket inside, put it on and walked away. All the critics shout he would never had the time to do all that, because all the bystanders stormed to the knoll right after the shots, since that is where most bystanders had heard the shots coming from.
Yes, that's what I have always heard too.
It's because the conspiracy theorists are eager to point out that a shot came from the grassy knoll, in front of the president. They are right and that's why they say everyone ran towards the grassy knoll. That is true, but not immediately. Files says that everyone stood frozen and stunned and even the policemen looked as if they were waiting for someone to tell them what to do.
I was quickly able to determine that Files was right. In one of my photobooks there's a picture of the grassy knoll with the press bus in front of it. No soul on the knoll yet. This was the last vehicle in the motorcade, so it must have taken at least 30 seconds for the bus to reach that point. The president's limousine had almost come to a stop and the press bus still had to make a sharp turn of 120 degrees.
Image: The grassy knoll 27 seconds after the shots
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Yeah, by the way, that story about the shell casing, That sound rather weird to me.
You mean that Files has bitten it and left it there?
Image: John Rademacher found the casing near the picket fence
Yes, I mean, who does that as a professional killer?
To tell you the truth, I would almost have wanted he had not done that, because it sounds incredible indeed. It's the biggest target for the critics. But you have to keep in mind that Files was 21 years old. He had been killing enough people In Laos and Vietnam, so he was used to that. A guy like that can develop a cockiness, that normal people cannot readily imagine. Then again, he was young enough not to use his brains. Now that he's old and mature he says: It was stupid, but I did that! In addition he hated Kennedy. He held him responsible for the Bay of Pigs failure, where he lost a lot of friends. He took pride in his kill shot and already had a habit for leaving a trademark. He said he always bit his bullet and that the taste of gunpowder was better than coffee.
That casing was been found in 1987, at a depth in the ground consistent with a time since 1963. It has received very little attention in the media. Some small article in a local newspaper. James Files gave his confession in 1994. When Bob heard that story about his shell casing he vaguely recalled a shell had been found. Files then said: "If it is mine you will be able to recognize it for my teeth marks are on it. The end will be oval not round." It is practically impossible that Files could have known this from the media, because nothing was said about dent marks. Even John Rademacher who found that shell, did not know what the indents were. Until then he had guessed they were "ejection marks". Bob contacted Rademacher and had the casing examined by a professor in orthodontology. This professor has certified that they were indeed human teeth marks. James Files says that if they really want to solve the JFK murder they can simply compare the dent marks with his dental records. But they don't. He claims the FBI has those. Do you understand now why our investigators are RETIRED FBI agents?
Yes, but I think the casing story will be met with skepsis.
Yes, that's why I said he better had not done it. It would be easier if he had only done things that are easy to believe, but I can't help that the facts are not always obvious and credible. You've got to know something else too. A dating test was done on that casing, which indicates the casing is indeed from the 1963 timeframe The headstamp is also consistent with a manufacturing date from that period. It is an important piece of physical evidence. Maybe we can even take some DNA from it, but that's along shot I would say. .
Yes, that would be a killer!
The casing is just like the other so called implausibilities. All critics who attack James Files, at least agree that he is a "good liar". My question then is: Why does a good liar invent a story with implausibilities? A liar wants be believed, right? Why then make your story implausible? They also forget that if Files is a hoax, Tosh Plumlee, Joe Granata and Chauncey Holt are also hoaxes. But they have been used as credible witnesses for the government in several cases.
Image: Tosh Plumlee
Yes, Well, I think Nicoletti would never have left that bullet.
No, exactly. He would never have permitted Files either. Some people say that James Files knows an awful lot of details, they can't deny Files was indeed the bodyguard for Nicoletti. But, so they say, Files is agrandizing himself, he just heard the whole story from Nicoletti who actually took the shot form the knoll. Yeah, and then Nicoletti left that bullet? That casing is actually more proof that Files is not lying. He was the only one, immature enough to do that.
Was that casing found where Files said he left it?
No, Files said he left on the fence and it was found in the ground a few yards away. Maybe one of the backup people took it and threw it away when he realized it wasn't smart to walk around with evidence. Something like that.
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J – So you probably stood behind that fence there for some little time?
JF – Oh, only for a few …., I stayed away from the fence, I stayed basically in the yard, walk over to the fence, look over, stand a minute, then walk back away again. But I was observing the area.
J – Were you a smoker at the time?
JF – Oh yes, I did smoke.
J – Were you smoking cigarettes that morning?
JF – I had smoked that day. Careless! I probably stepped on several cigarette butts and left them there. Most of them Pall Mall.
J – Was it muddy back there?
JF – It was very muddy. Let me put it this way: A couple of times I even took my shoes, put them above up the little country ledger and scraped the mud off the bottom of them. I hated getting mud on them.
If you read the website first (or the book) you wouldn't need asking these questions.
Bump again
http://jfkmurdersolved.com/interview.htm
What else did you check?
Much more, there was more than enough skepsis. Another statement was that Files would never have had the time to do all the things he said he did. He states that he has bitten the shell casing after the shot and left it there on the on the picket fence on the grassy knoll. Then he put the weapon back in his briefcase and turned his jacket inside, put it on and walked away. All the critics shout he would never had the time to do all that, because all the bystanders stormed to the knoll right after the shots, since that is where most bystanders had heard the shots coming from.
Yes, that's what I have always heard too.
It's because the conspiracy theorists are eager to point out that a shot came from the grassy knoll, in front of the president. They are right and that's why they say everyone ran towards the grassy knoll. That is true, but not immediately. Files says that everyone stood frozen and stunned and even the policemen looked as if they were waiting for someone to tell them what to do.
I was quickly able to determine that Files was right. In one of my photobooks there's a picture of the grassy knoll with the press bus in front of it. No soul on the knoll yet. This was the last vehicle in the motorcade, so it must have taken at least 30 seconds for the bus to reach that point. The president's limousine had almost come to a stop and the press bus still had to make a sharp turn of 120 degrees.
Image: The grassy knoll 27 seconds after the shots
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Yeah, by the way, that story about the shell casing, That sound rather weird to me.
You mean that Files has bitten it and left it there?
Image: John Rademacher found the casing near the picket fence
Yes, I mean, who does that as a professional killer?
To tell you the truth, I would almost have wanted he had not done that, because it sounds incredible indeed. It's the biggest target for the critics. But you have to keep in mind that Files was 21 years old. He had been killing enough people In Laos and Vietnam, so he was used to that. A guy like that can develop a cockiness, that normal people cannot readily imagine. Then again, he was young enough not to use his brains. Now that he's old and mature he says: It was stupid, but I did that! In addition he hated Kennedy. He held him responsible for the Bay of Pigs failure, where he lost a lot of friends. He took pride in his kill shot and already had a habit for leaving a trademark. He said he always bit his bullet and that the taste of gunpowder was better than coffee.
That casing was been found in 1987, at a depth in the ground consistent with a time since 1963. It has received very little attention in the media. Some small article in a local newspaper. James Files gave his confession in 1994. When Bob heard that story about his shell casing he vaguely recalled a shell had been found. Files then said: "If it is mine you will be able to recognize it for my teeth marks are on it. The end will be oval not round." It is practically impossible that Files could have known this from the media, because nothing was said about dent marks. Even John Rademacher who found that shell, did not know what the indents were. Until then he had guessed they were "ejection marks". Bob contacted Rademacher and had the casing examined by a professor in orthodontology. This professor has certified that they were indeed human teeth marks. James Files says that if they really want to solve the JFK murder they can simply compare the dent marks with his dental records. But they don't. He claims the FBI has those. Do you understand now why our investigators are RETIRED FBI agents?
Yes, but I think the casing story will be met with skepsis.
Yes, that's why I said he better had not done it. It would be easier if he had only done things that are easy to believe, but I can't help that the facts are not always obvious and credible. You've got to know something else too. A dating test was done on that casing, which indicates the casing is indeed from the 1963 timeframe The headstamp is also consistent with a manufacturing date from that period. It is an important piece of physical evidence. Maybe we can even take some DNA from it, but that's along shot I would say. .
Yes, that would be a killer!
The casing is just like the other so called implausibilities. All critics who attack James Files, at least agree that he is a "good liar". My question then is: Why does a good liar invent a story with implausibilities? A liar wants be believed, right? Why then make your story implausible? They also forget that if Files is a hoax, Tosh Plumlee, Joe Granata and Chauncey Holt are also hoaxes. But they have been used as credible witnesses for the government in several cases.
Image: Tosh Plumlee
Yes, Well, I think Nicoletti would never have left that bullet.
No, exactly. He would never have permitted Files either. Some people say that James Files knows an awful lot of details, they can't deny Files was indeed the bodyguard for Nicoletti. But, so they say, Files is agrandizing himself, he just heard the whole story from Nicoletti who actually took the shot form the knoll. Yeah, and then Nicoletti left that bullet? That casing is actually more proof that Files is not lying. He was the only one, immature enough to do that.
Was that casing found where Files said he left it?
No, Files said he left on the fence and it was found in the ground a few yards away. Maybe one of the backup people took it and threw it away when he realized it wasn't smart to walk around with evidence. Something like that.
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J – So you probably stood behind that fence there for some little time?
JF – Oh, only for a few …., I stayed away from the fence, I stayed basically in the yard, walk over to the fence, look over, stand a minute, then walk back away again. But I was observing the area.
J – Were you a smoker at the time?
JF – Oh yes, I did smoke.
J – Were you smoking cigarettes that morning?
JF – I had smoked that day. Careless! I probably stepped on several cigarette butts and left them there. Most of them Pall Mall.
J – Was it muddy back there?
JF – It was very muddy. Let me put it this way: A couple of times I even took my shoes, put them above up the little country ledger and scraped the mud off the bottom of them. I hated getting mud on them.
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Pumlee
dankbaar wrote:They also forget that if Files is a hoax, Tosh Plumlee, Joe Granata and Chauncey Holt are also hoaxes.
I continue to wonder why, if Files is a hoax, then Tosh Plumlee must necessarily be a hoax. What is the connection between the two?
Tim
I continue to wonder why, if Files is a hoax, then Tosh Plumlee must necessarily be a hoax. What is the connection between the two?
Tim
Because they basically confirm each other stories indepently, without knowing each other.
Take for example the fact that Files places Charles Nicoletti into the conspiracy and in Dallas that day. This was confirmed by Chauncey Holt AFTER Files had mentioned this. Actually Holt had done this before Files was located, but nobody had printed it. The point is that Files could not have known about it.
The fact that Nicoletti was there was also mentioned by Plumlee. Not to mention Roselli. But Plumlee was speculating more as he could not entirely sure about Nicoletti, because Nicoletti was not on his plane. It was just the modus operandi between Roselli and Nicoletti that made him conclude this.
In hindsight all of their stories check out, because Nicolettii was driven in by Chauncey Holt.
It's kind of difficult to keep your story straight with other "hoaxes" if you don't know these other "hoaxes".
The circumstance that Tosh has been publicly dissasocciating himself from Files, does not mean shit to me. I respect Tosh, but that is just HIS subjective opinion, based on his experience with Vernon. NOT with Files. I deal with FACTS. And the facts are that Files and Plumlee corroborate each other by mentioning the same players. The theory that Files concocted a story around Tosh's information is just insulting my intelligence, and anyone's that knows his facts.
Wim
Wim
Take for example the fact that Files places Charles Nicoletti into the conspiracy and in Dallas that day. This was confirmed by Chauncey Holt AFTER Files had mentioned this. Actually Holt had done this before Files was located, but nobody had printed it. The point is that Files could not have known about it.
The fact that Nicoletti was there was also mentioned by Plumlee. Not to mention Roselli. But Plumlee was speculating more as he could not entirely sure about Nicoletti, because Nicoletti was not on his plane. It was just the modus operandi between Roselli and Nicoletti that made him conclude this.
In hindsight all of their stories check out, because Nicolettii was driven in by Chauncey Holt.
It's kind of difficult to keep your story straight with other "hoaxes" if you don't know these other "hoaxes".
The circumstance that Tosh has been publicly dissasocciating himself from Files, does not mean shit to me. I respect Tosh, but that is just HIS subjective opinion, based on his experience with Vernon. NOT with Files. I deal with FACTS. And the facts are that Files and Plumlee corroborate each other by mentioning the same players. The theory that Files concocted a story around Tosh's information is just insulting my intelligence, and anyone's that knows his facts.
Wim
Wim
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Tim Carroll
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Files & Plumlee
dankbaar wrote:Because they basically confirm each other stories indepently, without knowing each other.... The fact that Nicoletti was there was also mentioned by Plumlee. Not to mention Roselli. But Plumlee was speculating more as he could not entirely sure about Nicoletti, because Nicoletti was not on his plane. It was just the modus operandi between Roselli and Nicoletti that made him conclude this.... The circumstance that Tosh has been publicly dissasocciating himself from Files, does not mean shit to me. I respect Tosh, but that is just HIS subjective opinion, based on his experience with Vernon. NOT with Files. I deal with FACTS. And the facts are that Files and Plumlee corroborate each other by mentioning the same players.
That is expressed fairly. Plumlee did mention Nicoletti in an interview with Vernon, about which he has subsequently made a correction and expressed regret, given the difference between first-hand knowledge and speculation. That's why his declaration makes a point to declare that it supercedes all previous statements.
As for that speculation, it is not unreasonable to hypothesize that Nicoletti may well have been involved in a Roselli activity. But again, that connection does not rise to the level of FACT. To be precise, when one says that Files and Plumlee corroborate each other by mentioning the same players, when one disregards the Vernon-induced speculation, the common element of their stories is Johnny Roselli, and only Johnny Roselli.
Tim
That is expressed fairly. Plumlee did mention Nicoletti in an interview with Vernon, about which he has subsequently made a correction and expressed regret, given the difference between first-hand knowledge and speculation. That's why his declaration makes a point to declare that it supercedes all previous statements.
As for that speculation, it is not unreasonable to hypothesize that Nicoletti may well have been involved in a Roselli activity. But again, that connection does not rise to the level of FACT. To be precise, when one says that Files and Plumlee corroborate each other by mentioning the same players, when one disregards the Vernon-induced speculation, the common element of their stories is Johnny Roselli, and only Johnny Roselli.
Tim
There was no Vernon induced speculation. Tosh has always been clear that Nicoletti was not on his flight.
The only thing that Tosh expressed regret about is that his statement that Roselli got off at Redbird (instead of Garland), was not corrected immediately, as per his request.
Wim
Q: Do you know a person named Charles Nicoletti?
A: I've heard of Charles Nicoletti and I've seen Charles Nicoletti. Yes, I know of him. But, I don't know him personally.
Q: Was Charles Nicoletti on the flight?
A: Charles Nicoletti was not on that flight but Charles Nicoletti was in Dallas.
Q: Did you see Charles Nicoletti in Dallas or how do you know that he was in Dallas?
A: From back from the Church committee years ago. The picture of Nicoletti was shown to me by a member, by investigators of Senator Church, and prior to that I had already pulled Nicoletti's picture out of a lineup of 10 pictures. I did not know his name at that point. On another occasion I saw him at Sloppy Joe's with John Roselli, in Biscayne Park, when they were going over some maps.
Q: How do you know that Charles Nicoletti was in Dallas?
A: Well it's been....well, O.K.. It's been told to me, by Federal Investigators and private investigators, pictures and everything else, that he was there. In fact, it's been alleged that I actually flew him in with John Roselli. Roselli was on board the aircraft Nicoletti was not on board that aircraft. I'd already known pictures of Nicoletti, but I did not know him personally.
Q: After Nicoletti got off the aircraft do you know where he went?
A: I have no....he was not on the aircraft. After John Roselli got off the aircraft, I have no idea where John Roselli went.
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A: O.K., the personnel on the plane was Sergio, who I'd been in other operations with back in the early 60's and late 50's; Rojas, Emmanuel Rojas, who was my pilot, I was acting as co-pilot; John Roselli, and we all had code names that we had assigned to ourself like eagle, raven, hawk, and this type thing. These were the people who were on the aircraft.
BQ: You're aware that there is one school of thought that placed Charles Nicoletti on that airplane?
A: Yes, I am aware that it's said that Charles Nicoletti was on board the aircraft. In the early stages of the investigation that I came in with, I had picked out a picture of Nicoletti when I was shown 10 pictures by a Senate investigator. Then later, the story came back to me that Nicoletti was in town because he picked up John Roselli at Redbird Airport and then at that point I lost contact with all of them.
BQ: Did you see Nicoletti pick up Roselli?
A: No, I didn't see Nicoletti pick up Roselli, but because of the liaison that we had had and the discussion that was on board the aircraft, there was no doubt in my mind that Nicoletti was the person that John Roselli was referring to to meet in Dallas on that particular morning.
Testimony Robert Vernon ARRB 1994:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/arrb/index67.htm
Mr. Plumlee testified that Philippe or Philippo Socko, alias John Roselli, a known Mafia/CIA double operative was onboard the plane to Dallas. Mr. Plumlee stated that Mr. Roselli departed the plane at Dallas Garland Airport shortly after 6:30 a.m. on the morning of November 22nd, 1963. Mr. Plumlee testified that he was informed that the flight was an abort mission, and that their assignment was to stop the assassination attempt on Kennedy's life.
The only thing that Tosh expressed regret about is that his statement that Roselli got off at Redbird (instead of Garland), was not corrected immediately, as per his request.
Wim
Q: Do you know a person named Charles Nicoletti?
A: I've heard of Charles Nicoletti and I've seen Charles Nicoletti. Yes, I know of him. But, I don't know him personally.
Q: Was Charles Nicoletti on the flight?
A: Charles Nicoletti was not on that flight but Charles Nicoletti was in Dallas.
Q: Did you see Charles Nicoletti in Dallas or how do you know that he was in Dallas?
A: From back from the Church committee years ago. The picture of Nicoletti was shown to me by a member, by investigators of Senator Church, and prior to that I had already pulled Nicoletti's picture out of a lineup of 10 pictures. I did not know his name at that point. On another occasion I saw him at Sloppy Joe's with John Roselli, in Biscayne Park, when they were going over some maps.
Q: How do you know that Charles Nicoletti was in Dallas?
A: Well it's been....well, O.K.. It's been told to me, by Federal Investigators and private investigators, pictures and everything else, that he was there. In fact, it's been alleged that I actually flew him in with John Roselli. Roselli was on board the aircraft Nicoletti was not on board that aircraft. I'd already known pictures of Nicoletti, but I did not know him personally.
Q: After Nicoletti got off the aircraft do you know where he went?
A: I have no....he was not on the aircraft. After John Roselli got off the aircraft, I have no idea where John Roselli went.
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A: O.K., the personnel on the plane was Sergio, who I'd been in other operations with back in the early 60's and late 50's; Rojas, Emmanuel Rojas, who was my pilot, I was acting as co-pilot; John Roselli, and we all had code names that we had assigned to ourself like eagle, raven, hawk, and this type thing. These were the people who were on the aircraft.
BQ: You're aware that there is one school of thought that placed Charles Nicoletti on that airplane?
A: Yes, I am aware that it's said that Charles Nicoletti was on board the aircraft. In the early stages of the investigation that I came in with, I had picked out a picture of Nicoletti when I was shown 10 pictures by a Senate investigator. Then later, the story came back to me that Nicoletti was in town because he picked up John Roselli at Redbird Airport and then at that point I lost contact with all of them.
BQ: Did you see Nicoletti pick up Roselli?
A: No, I didn't see Nicoletti pick up Roselli, but because of the liaison that we had had and the discussion that was on board the aircraft, there was no doubt in my mind that Nicoletti was the person that John Roselli was referring to to meet in Dallas on that particular morning.
Testimony Robert Vernon ARRB 1994:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/arrb/index67.htm
Mr. Plumlee testified that Philippe or Philippo Socko, alias John Roselli, a known Mafia/CIA double operative was onboard the plane to Dallas. Mr. Plumlee stated that Mr. Roselli departed the plane at Dallas Garland Airport shortly after 6:30 a.m. on the morning of November 22nd, 1963. Mr. Plumlee testified that he was informed that the flight was an abort mission, and that their assignment was to stop the assassination attempt on Kennedy's life.
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Files & Plumlee
dankbaar wrote:There was no Vernon induced speculation. Tosh has always been clear that Nicoletti was not on his flight. The only thing that Tosh expressed regret about is that his statement that Roselli got off at Redbird (instead of Garland), was not corrected immediately, as per his request.Regarding Nicoletti, I was merely referring to Wim's own post:dankbaar wrote:The fact that Nicoletti was there was also mentioned by Plumlee. Not to mention Roselli. But Plumlee was speculating more as he could not entirely sure about Nicoletti, because Nicoletti was not on his plane. It was just the modus operandi between Roselli and Nicoletti that made him conclude this.... The circumstance that Tosh has been publicly dissasocciating himself from Files, does not mean shit to me. I respect Tosh, but that is just HIS subjective opinion, based on his experience with Vernon.
There were numerous incidences in which people tried to put words into Tosh's mouth, or interpret his statements, especially the conjectural parts, to support their own agendas. That's why he finally wrote:
"I regret that prior to the production of this narrative, the context and substance of my story has been changed and/or misstated by others to suit their own purposes. When I have spoken on tape, I have been asked to speculate on certain facts which were inaccurately produced as my own factual assertions. One of the most significant problems has been that my story has been tailored and changed to support the claims of others, whom I knew nothing about. This statement is my personal story. Anything in previous publications is subject to question and is not approved or authorized by me. My purpose in producing this unadulterated statement is to clarify previous errors of fact attributed to me. Therefore, this statement supersedes all previous versions of what others have claimed to be my story."
That is why I take exception to the assertion that if Files is a hoax, Plumlee must also be a hoax. There is nothing in Plumlee's story that would make that so. Conversely, if Plumlee were proven a hoax, I doubt that Wim would withdraw all of his Files materials. The only point of intersection of their two stories is Roselli, who Files originally claimed to have picked up at the "Dallas Something Hotel" and later changed to the Cabana Motel.
Tim
There were numerous incidences in which people tried to put words into Tosh's mouth, or interpret his statements, especially the conjectural parts, to support their own agendas. That's why he finally wrote:
"I regret that prior to the production of this narrative, the context and substance of my story has been changed and/or misstated by others to suit their own purposes. When I have spoken on tape, I have been asked to speculate on certain facts which were inaccurately produced as my own factual assertions. One of the most significant problems has been that my story has been tailored and changed to support the claims of others, whom I knew nothing about. This statement is my personal story. Anything in previous publications is subject to question and is not approved or authorized by me. My purpose in producing this unadulterated statement is to clarify previous errors of fact attributed to me. Therefore, this statement supersedes all previous versions of what others have claimed to be my story."
That is why I take exception to the assertion that if Files is a hoax, Plumlee must also be a hoax. There is nothing in Plumlee's story that would make that so. Conversely, if Plumlee were proven a hoax, I doubt that Wim would withdraw all of his Files materials. The only point of intersection of their two stories is Roselli, who Files originally claimed to have picked up at the "Dallas Something Hotel" and later changed to the Cabana Motel.
Tim
Re: Files & Plumlee
Tim Carroll wrote:dankbaar wrote:There was no Vernon induced speculation. Tosh has always been clear that Nicoletti was not on his flight. The only thing that Tosh expressed regret about is that his statement that Roselli got off at Redbird (instead of Garland), was not corrected immediately, as per his request.Regarding Nicoletti, I was merely referring to Wim's own post:Yes, and my post was based on Tosh's OWN words, as you could see. dankbaar wrote:The fact that Nicoletti was there was also mentioned by Plumlee. Not to mention Roselli. But Plumlee was speculating more as he could not entirely sure about Nicoletti, because Nicoletti was not on his plane. It was just the modus operandi between Roselli and Nicoletti that made him conclude this.... The circumstance that Tosh has been publicly dissasocciating himself from Files, does not mean shit to me. I respect Tosh, but that is just HIS subjective opinion, based on his experience with Vernon.There were numerous incidences in which people tried to put words into Tosh's mouth, or interpret his statements, especially the conjectural parts, to support their own agendas. That's why he finally wrote:Tosh is quite emotional and grossly exaggerating on that. He was especially pissed with the fact that Vernon recently started spreading that Tosh had said Nicoletti was on his plane. As you can see, Tosh always held his ground, asserting that Nicoletti was NOT on his plane. The "numerous incidents" that you refer to, are in fact non-existent. You, nor Tosh, can't give me any more examples. "I regret that prior to the production of this narrative, the context and substance of my story has been changed and/or misstated by others to suit their own purposes. When I have spoken on tape, I have been asked to speculate on certain facts which were inaccurately produced as my own factual assertions. One of the most significant problems has been that my story has been tailored and changed to support the claims of others, whom I knew nothing about. This statement is my personal story. Anything in previous publications is subject to question and is not approved or authorized by me. My purpose in producing this unadulterated statement is to clarify previous errors of fact attributed to me. Therefore, this statement supersedes all previous versions of what others have claimed to be my story."That is why I take exception to the assertion that if Files is a hoax, Plumlee must also be a hoax. There is nothing in Plumlee's story that would make that so. Conversely, if Plumlee were proven a hoax, I doubt that Wim would withdraw all of his Files materials. The only point of intersection of their two stories is Roselli, who Files originally claimed to have picked up at the "Dallas Something Hotel" and later changed to the Cabana Motel.Tosh states that he flew in Roselli on a CIA supported flight on a mission to abort the hit. This is corroborated by James Files. How the hell does the fact that Files could not remember the name of the motel influence his veracity? Can you remember details like that if you have to dig up from your memory of 30 years ago? BTW, don't worry, Plumlee is not going to be proven a hoax.Wim Tim