The spent shell casing.

[Tim Carroll]

dankbaar wrote:How the hell does the fact that Files could not remember the name of the motel influence his veracity?As evidence, it shows that his story has been refined and prompted through outside input, rather than direct and personal memory.dankbaar wrote:BTW, don't worry, Plumlee is not going to be proven a hoax.
I was only speaking hypothetically, as I'm sure Wim knows. Twisting a hypothetical into a factual context is a crass distraction from the basic point that a demonstration of either Files or Plumlee being a hoax would have no bearing on the veracity of the other.

Tim

[dankbaar]

As evidence, it shows that his story has been refined and prompted through outside input, rather than direct and personal memory.

So you take issue with what I did here too?J – Did you ever hear Mr. Roselli being called Colonel or did he have any military credentials.JF - Aah, I don’t remember what the total name was, I know he was called Colonel once in a while, I can’t remember the name of it but I know he was called Colonel. But that was uh … as far as I know Johnny Roselli never held any rank of any kind. But like I say , he was involved heavily with the CIA, he was a liaison between them, what his actual part was I don’t know, but I know he was heavily involved with them. And all through that.W – I think it was Ralston, Colonel Ralston.JF - Yeah, Ralston! That’s it! Colonel Ralston! That’s what they called him: Colonel Ralston.

[Tim Carroll]

dankbaar wrote:So you take issue with what I did here too?
I have only taken exception to Plumlee's credibility being linked with Files, which Wim knows Tosh to have resisted explicitly. I take exception to the statement that if Files is a hoax, Plumlee is a hoax. Absent attempts to link the two, I have no interest in the Files story. Simple enough?

Tim

[dankbaar]

Yeah it is simple enough, if you don't mind I will link the two since they complement each other's stories. Whether they believe each other is by the way totally irrelevant. Tosh is entitled to his personal opinions , which I have seen change more than once.

Wim

[Tim Carroll]

dankbaar wrote:Yeah it is simple enough, if you don't mind I will link the two since they complement each other's stories.
Files' and Plumlee's stories do not compliment each other when taken in their entirety. In fact, they directly contradict each other with regard to Files' claim of having had a personal encounter with Plumlee. Has Tosh ever changed his story about the Chicago airport, Marilyn Monroe tale?

Tim

[dankbaar]

Not that I know, I doubt he would, but I was talking about their stories regarding 11/22/1963.

Wim

[Jim Thompson]

Tim Carroll wrote:dankbaar wrote:They also forget that if Files is a hoax, Tosh Plumlee, Joe Granata and Chauncey Holt are also hoaxes.I continue to wonder why, if Files is a hoax, then Tosh Plumlee must necessarily be a hoax. What is the connection between the two?TimThis is somewhat off-topic, but related to the knoll shooter(s):Jack Lawrence worked for the Downtown Lincoln-Mercury car dealership in Dallas. Lawrence claimed that Lee Harvey Oswald asked to test-drive a car in early November. Afterwards Lawrence reported the incident to the Federal Bureau of Investigation. On 21st November, 1963, Lawrence borrowed one of the firm's cars. The following day he failed to turn up for work. According to Jim Marrs (Crossfire): "about thirty minutes after the assassination, he came hustling through the company's show room, pale and sweating with mud on his clothes. He rushed into the men's room and threw up. He told co-workers he had been ill that morning, and that he had tried to drive the car back to the dealership but had to park it due to the heavy traffic. Later, employees found the car parked behind the wooden picket fence on top of the Grassy Knoll overlooking Dealey Plaza."Lawrence's strange behaviour was reported to the Dallas police. He was interviewed by officers investigating the assassination of John F. Kennedy. They discovered that Lawrence was a marksman in the United States Air Force. According to Beverly Oliver, Lawrence was a regular at the Carousel Club (owned by Jack Ruby) and a close friend of George Senator.

Does anyone have any further references or information on Lawrence? The fact that the car was found where it was seems very important.

Ken

[Gibson DelGiudice]

Lawrence was the one who reported it? I thought that was someone named Bogard. I checked my copy of the WCR and the name Bogard and that story is there, but the Lawrence material is not.