Federal reserve involvement?

JFK Assassination
AL DATI
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...........Was JFK trying to shut down the federal reserve?,and who were the board members at the time?
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AL DATI wrote:...........Was JFK trying to shut down the federal reserve?,and who were the board members at the time?

No, JFK signed executive order 11110 on June 4, 1963 Ordering that the Federal Reserve Banks be controlled by the government (remember WE The People) and not charge interest to the American people, by the practices of Christian lending. The Federal reserves bankers (Rockefeller ,Alan Dulles, etc) would be out of a job as federal reserve bankers. After JFK was assassinated , this order never was enforced ....
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Paul Pennyworth wrote:AL DATI wrote:...........Was JFK trying to shut down the federal reserve?,and who were the board members at the time? No, JFK signed executive order 11110 on June 4, 1963 Ordering that the Federal Reserve Banks be controlled by the government (remember WE The People) and not charge interest to the American people, by the practices of Christian lending. The Federal reserves bankers (Rockefeller ,Alan Dulles, etc) would be out of a job as federal reserve bankers. After JFK was assassinated , this order never was enforced ....

The Grand Daddy of all private banks or the Central Bank of the Central Banks is the "Bank for International Settlements" located in Switzerland.
If JFK's move to nationalize the Federal Reserve System is considered motive for his murder then once again there are international implications centered around the wealthy european families who would have been involved in the coup de tat.
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Paul Pennyworth wrote:AL DATI wrote:...........Was JFK trying to shut down the federal reserve?,and who were the board members at the time? No, JFK signed executive order 11110 on June 4, 1963 Ordering that the Federal Reserve Banks be controlled by the government (remember WE The People) and not charge interest to the American people, by the practices of Christian lending. The Federal reserves bankers (Rockefeller ,Alan Dulles, etc) would be out of a job as federal reserve bankers. After JFK was assassinated , this order never was enforced ....

I would think that this was also a factor in his murder. Another nail in the coffin.

Didn't JFK already have several million dollars of non-Federal Reserve US currency printed (but not distributed) before his assassination?

I have also read that President Lincoln was murdered for trying to do the same thing as JFK, print our own non-FR currency. Has anyone else read or heard that?

Myra
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Rothschilds
they are behind everything money in the world
see how many people hung for Lincolns assasination.
see why the russian czar had to protect us during the cival war.
4 billion dollars were ordered printed the day he signed 11110 and if the order was never rescended then?
he ordered thje printing of silver certificates, what his plan was when the number of US backed bills outnumbered the fed reserve number of bills he could have closed the fed. you can not just close the fed. you have to stabilize the currancy first then close it.
look at US currency and see the fed reserve note at the top
look at a silver certificate bill and you wont see that.
ok thats enough peace
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myra wrote:Paul Pennyworth wrote:AL DATI wrote:...........Was JFK trying to shut down the federal reserve?,and who were the board members at the time? No, JFK signed executive order 11110 on June 4, 1963 Ordering that the Federal Reserve Banks be controlled by the government (remember WE The People) and not charge interest to the American people, by the practices of Christian lending. The Federal reserves bankers (Rockefeller ,Alan Dulles, etc) would be out of a job as federal reserve bankers. After JFK was assassinated , this order never was enforced ....I would think that this was also a factor in his murder. Another nail in the coffin. Didn't JFK already have several million dollars of non-Federal Reserve US currency printed (but not distributed) before his assassination?I have also read that President Lincoln was murdered for trying to do the same thing as JFK, print our own non-FR currency. Has anyone else read or heard that?Myra


Actually reading "Kill Zone: A Sniper Looks at Dealey Plaza" by Craig Roberts. Mr Roberts give all answers about that in his book.
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Advanced History Lesson About Money

Myth #9: President Kennedy was assassinated because he tried to usurp the Federal Reserve's power. Executive Order 11,110 proves it.

BY: Edward Flaherty, Ph.D. Department of Economics College of Charleston, S.C.

Presidential Executive Order 11,110 is quite infamous among conspiracy buffs. Jim Marrs, author of Crossfire: The Plot that Killed Kennedy, writes that the order instructs the Treasury secretary to issue about $4.2 billion in silver certificates as a form of currency in place of Federal Reserve Notes.1 Written by John F. Kennedy, Marrs also speculates this order was part of a larger plan by Kennedy to reduce the influence of the Federal Reserve by giving the Treasury more power to issue currency. The order was signed June 4, 1963. A few months later, of course, Kennedy was killed, and conspiracy theorists hypothesize a link between the murder and E.O. 11,110. They argue that the Federal Reserve was somehow involved in the assassination to protect its power over monetary policy.
The executive order modifies a pre-existing order issued by Harry Truman in 1951. E.O. 10,289 states "The Secretary of the Treasury is hereby designated and empowered to perform the following-described functions of the President without the approval, ratification, or other action of the President..." The order then lists tasks (a) through (h) which the Treasurer can now do without bothering the President. None of the powers assigned to the Treasury in E.O. 10,289 relate to money or to monetary policy. Kennedy's E.O. 11,110 then instructs that

SECTION 1. Executive Order No. 10289 of September 9, 1951, as amended, is hereby further amended (a) By adding at the end of paragraph 1 thereof the following subparagraph (j): '(j) The authority vested in the President by paragraph (b) of section 43 of the Act of May 12, 1933, as amended (31 U.S.C. 821(b)), to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury not then held for redemption of any outstanding silver certificates, to prescribe the denominations of such silver certificates, and to coin standard silver dollars and subsidiary silver currency for their redemption,' and (b) By revoking subparagraphs (b) and (c) of paragraph 2 thereof.

SECTION 2. The amendments made by this Order shall not affect any act done, or any right accruing or accrued or any suit or proceeding had or commenced in any civil or criminal cause prior to the date of this Order but all such liabilities shall continue any may be enforced as if said amendments had not been made.
John F. Kennedy, THE WHITE HOUSE, June 4, 1963.
To understand exactly what Kennedy's order was trying to do, we must understand the purpose of the legislation which gave the order its underlying authority. The Agricultural Adjustment Act of May 12, 1933 (ch. 25, 48 Stat 51) to which Kennedy refers permits the President to issue silver certificates in various denominations (mostly $1, $2, $5, and $10) and in any total volume so long as the Treasury has enough silver on hand to redeem the certificates for a specific quantity and fineness of silver and that the total volume of such currency does not exceed $3 billion. The Silver Purchase Act of 1934 (ch. 674,48 Stat 1178) also grants this power to the Treasury Secretary subject to similar limitations. Nowhere in the text of the order is a quantity of money mentioned, so it is unclear how Marrs arrived at his $4.2 billion figure. Moreover, the President could not have authorized such a large issue because it would have exceeded the statutory limit.2

As economic activity grew in the fifties and sixties, the public demand for low denomination currency grew, increasing the Treasury's need for silver to back additional certificate issues and to mint new coins (dimes, quarters, half-dollars). However, during the late fifties the price of silver began to rise and reached the point that the market value of the silver contained in the coins and backing the certificates was greater than the face value of the money itself.2

To conserve the Treasury's silver needs, the Silver Purchase Act and related measures were repealed by Congress in 1963 with Public Law 88-36. Following the repeal, only the President could authorize new silver certificate issues, and no longer the Treasury Secretary. The law, signed by Kennedy himself, also permits the Federal Reserve to issue small denomination bills to replace the outgoing silver certificates (prior to the act, the Fed could only issue Federal Reserve Notes in larger denominations). The Treasury's shrinking silver stock could then be used to mint coins only and not have to back currency. The repeal left only the President with the authority to issue silver certificates, however it did permit him to delegate this authority. E.O. 11,110 does this by transferring the authority from the President to the Treasury Secretary.2

E.O. 11,110 did not create authority to issue new silver certificates, it only affected who could give the order. The purpose of the order was to facilitate the reduction of certificates in circulation, not to increase them. In October 1964 the Treasury ceased issuing them entirely. The Coinage Act of 1965 (PL 89-81) ended the practice of using silver in most U.S. coins, and in 1968 Congress ended the redeemability of silver certificates (PL 90-29). E.O. 11,110 was never reversed by President Johnson and remained on the books until 1987 when there was a general cleaning-up of executive orders (E.O. 12,608, 9/9/87). However, by this time the remaining legislative authority behind E.O. 11,110 had been repealed by Congress with PL 97-258 in 1982.2

In summary, E.O. 11,110 did not create new authority to issue additional silver certificates. In fact, its intention was to ease the process for their removal so that small denomination Federal Reserve Notes could replace them in accordance with a law Kennedy himself signed. If Kennedy had really sought to reduce Federal Reserve power, then why did he sign a bill that gave the Fed still more power?

Marrs also makes some other factual errors in his conspiracy tale that suggest he is not very familiar with the Federal Reserve or the financial system. He writes that a source of tension between the Federal Reserve and the Kennedy Administration was the Treasury's desire to allow banks to underwrite state and local government bonds, thereby weakening the "dominant" Federal Reserve banks. However, such a move, which was later permitted by Congress, would not have affected the Federal Reserve system because it had never been involved in underwriting bond issues. Marrs also claims that Kennedy signed a bill that changed the backing of small denomination currency from silver to gold to "add strength to the weakened U.S. currency." This is completely false. U.S. currency has not been on the gold standard since 1934, and silver certificates, as their name suggests, had never been redeemable in anything but silver. In addition, U.S. currency was not "weak" during Kennedy's time: There had not been any significant inflation since the late forties, and the exchange rate value of the dollar was fixed according to the Bretton Woods agreement.

In the introduction to his book, Marrs advises the reader not to trust his book. This appears to be good advice.

References:
1. Marrs, Jim (1989), Crossfire: The Plot that Killed Kennedy, New York: Carroll & Graf Publishers.

2. Woodward, G. Thomas (1996), "Money and the Federal Reserve System: Myth and Reality," Congressional Research Service
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so this is a legal definition by a guy with a PHD right.
This is not your evaluation. or your definition right.
So this guy has the right answer in his definition because he has a PHD?
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Executive Order 10289
Providing for the Performance of Certain Functions of the President by the Secretary of the Treasury

Signed: September 17, 1951
Federal Register page and date: 16 FR 9499, September 19, 1951
Amended by: EO 10583, December 18, 1954; EO 10882, July 18, 1960; EO 11110, June 4, 1963; EO 12608, September 9, 1987
Revoked by: EO 11825, December 31, 1974 (in part)

How do you amend something that is revoked?lol
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Here is the whole EO so you digest it and define it for me yourself.

Executive Order 10289--Providing for the performance of certain functions of the President by the Secretary of the TreasurySource: The provisions of Executive Order 10289 of Sept. 17, 1951, appear at 16 FR 9499, 3 CFR, 1949-1953 Comp., p. 787, unless otherwise noted.By virtue of the authority vested in me by section 1 of the act of August 8, 1950, 64 Stat. 419 (Public Law 673, 81st Congress), and as President of the United States, it is ordered as follows:1. The Secretary of the Treasury is hereby designated and empowered to perform the following-described functions of the President without the approval, ratification, or other action of the President:(a) The authority vested in the President by section 1 of the act of August 1, 1914, c. 223, 38 Stat. 609, 623, as amended (19 U.S.C. 2), (1) to rearrange, by consolidation or otherwise, the several customs-collection districts, (2) to discontinue ports of entry by abolishing the same and establishing others in their stead, and (3) to change from time to time the location of the headquarters in any customs-collection district as the needs of the service may require.(b) The authority vested in the President by section 1 of the Anti-Smuggling Act of August 5, 1935, c. 438, 49 Stat. 517 (19 U.S.C. 1701), (1) to find and declare that at any place or within any area on the high seas adjacent to but outside customs waters any vessel or vessels hover or are being kept off the coast of the United States and that, by virtue of the presence of any such vessel or vessels at such place or within such area, the unlawful introduction or removal into or from the United States of any merchandise or person is being, or may be, occasioned, promoted, or threatened, (2) to find and declare that certain waters on the high seas are in such proximity to such vessel or vessels that such unlawful introduction or removal of merchandise or persons may be carried on by or to or from such vessel or vessels, and (3) to find and declare that, within any customs-enforcement area, the circumstances no longer exist which gave rise to the declaration of such area as a customs-enforcement area.(c) The authority vested in the President by section 1 of the Act of August 26, 1985, Public Law 98-89, 97 Stat. 510 (46 U.S.C. 3101); to suspend the provisions of law requiring the inspection of foreign-built vessels admitted to American registry.(d) The authority vested in the President by section 5 of the act of May 28, 1908, c. 212, 35 Stat. 425, as amended (46 U.S.C. Appendix 104), to determine (as a prerequisite to the extension of reciprocal privileges by the Commissioner of Customs) that yachts used and employed exclusively as pleasure vessels and belonging to any resident of the United States are allowed to arrive at and depart from any foreign port and to cruise in the waters of such port without entering or clearing at the custom-house thereof and without the payment of any charges for entering or clearing, dues, duty per ton, tonnage taxes, or charges for cruising licenses.(e) The authority vested in the President by section 2 of the act of March 24, 1908, c. 96, 35 Stat. 46 (46 U.S.C. Appendix 134), to name the hospital ships to which section 1 of the said act shall apply to indicate the time when the exemptions thereby provided for shall begin and end.(f) The authority vested in the President by section 4223 of the Revised Statutes, as amended (46 U.S.C. Appendix 141), (1) to declare that--upon satisfactory proof being given by the government of any foreign nation that no discriminating duties of tonnage or imposts are imposed or levied in the ports of such nation upon vessels wholly belonging to citizens of the United States, or upon the produce, manufactures, or merchandise imported in the same from the United States or from any foreign country--the foreign discriminating duties of tonnage and impost within the United States are suspended and discontinued, so far as respects the vessels of such foreign nation, and the produce, manufactures, or merchandise imported into the United States from such foreign nation, or from any other foreign country, and (2) to suspend in part the operation of section 4219 of the Revised Statutes, as amended (46 U.S.C. Appendix 121), and section IV, J, subsection 1 of the act of October 3, 1913, c. 16, 38 Stat. 195, as amended (46 U.S.C. Appendix 146), so that foreign vessels from a country imposing partial discriminating tonnage duties upon American vessels, or partial discriminating import duties upon American merchandise, may enjoy in our ports the identical privileges which the same class of American vessels and merchandise may enjoy in such country: Provided, that prior to the issuance of an order of the Secretary of the Treasury suspending and discontinuing (wholly or in part) discriminating tonnage duties, imposts, and import duties within the United States, the Department of State shall obtain and furnish to the Secretary of the Treasury the proof required by the said section 4228, as amended as the basis for that order.(g) The authority vested in the President by section 3650 of the Internal Revenue Code (26 U.S.C. 3650) to establish convenient collection districts (for the purpose of assessing, levying, and collecting the taxes provided by the internal revenue laws), and from time to time to alter such districts.(h) The authority which is now vested in the President by section 2564 (b) of the Internal Revenue Code (26 U.S.C. 2564 (b)), and which on and after January 1, 1955, will be vested in the President by section 4735 (b) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1954, to issue, in accordance with the provisions of the said section 2564 (b) or 4735 (b), as the case may be, orders providing for the registration and the imposition of a special tax upon all persons in the Canal Zone who produce, import compound, deal in, dispense, sell, distribute, or give away narcotic drugs.(i) The authority vested in the President by Section 5318 of the Revised Statutes, as amended (19 U.S.C. 540), to employ suitable vessels other than Coast Guard cutters in the execution of laws providing for the collection of duties on imports and tonnage;[Para. 1 amended by EO 10583 of Dec. 18, 1954, 19 FR 8725, 3 CFR, 1954-1958 Comp., p. 232; EO 10882 of July 18, 1960, 25 FR 6869, 3 CFR, 1959-1963 Comp., p. 413; EO 11110 of June 4, 1963, 28 FR 5605, 3 CFR, 1959-1963 Comp., p. 770; EO 12608 of Sept. 9, 1987, 52 FR 34617, 3 CFR, 1987 Comp., p. 245]2. The Secretary of the Treasury is hereby designated and empowered to perform without the approval, ratification, or other action of the President the following functions which have heretofore, under the respective provisions of law cited, required the approval of the President in connection with their performance by the Secretary of the Treasury:(a) The authority vested in the Secretary of the Treasury by section 6 of the act of July 8, 1937, c. 444, 50 Stat. 480 (5 U.S.C. 134c), to make rules and regulations necessary for the execution of the functions vested in the Secretary of the Treasury by the said act, as amended.(b) [Revoked](c) [Revoked](d) [Revoked](e) The authority vested in the Secretary of the Treasury by section 1 of Title II of the act of June 15, 1917, c. 30, 40 Stat. 220 (50 U.S.C. 191), to make rules and regulations governing the anchorage and movement of any vessel, foreign or domestic, in the territorial waters of the United States.(f) [Revoked][Para. 2 amended by EO 11110 of June 4, 1963, 28 FR 5605, 3 CFR, 1959-1963 Comp., p. 770; EO 11825 of Dec. 31, 1974, 40 FR 1003, 3 CFR, 1971-1975 Comp., p. 929; EO 12608 of Sept. 9, 1987, 52 FR 34617, 3 CFR, 1987 Comp., p. 245]3. (a) The Secretary of the Treasury and the Postmaster General are hereby designated and empowered jointly to prescribe without the approval of the President regulations, under section 1 of the act of July 8, 1937, c. 444, 50 Stat. 479 (5 U.S.C. 134), governing the shipment of valuables by the executive departments, independent establishments, agencies, wholly-owned corporations, officers, and employees of the United States.(b) The Postmaster General is hereby designated and empowered to exercise without the approval, ratification, or other action of the President the authority vested in the President by section 504 (b) of title 18 of the United States Code to approve regulations issued by the Secretary of the Treasury under the authority of the said section 504 (b) (relating to the printing, publishing, or importation, or the making or importation of the necessary plates for such printing or publishing, of postage stamps for philatelic purposes), and to approve any amendment or repeal of any of such regulations by the Secretary of the Treasury.[Para. 3 amended by EO 10583 of Dec. 18, 1954, 19 FR 8725, 3 CFR, 1954-1958 Comp., p. 232]4. As used in this order, the term "functions" embraces duties, powers, responsibilities, authority, or discretion, and the term "perform" may be construed to mean "exercise".5. All actions heretofore taken by the President in respect of the matters affected by this order and in force at the time of the issuance of this order, including regulations prescribed by the President in respect of such matters, shall, except as they may be inconsistent with the provisions of this order, remain in effect until amended, modified, or revoked pursuant to the authority conferred by this order.
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