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tom jeffers wrote:hmmm lets give him the benefit of doubt. he may have heard that said on another board.namaste'Good point, Tom. Let's just say the 'friend' I mentioned in my post refers to whoever composed the words in the first post and that, as you say, wasn't necessarily JFKJF.

"This is not personal. It's business."The innaugural address is a fine thing, memorable phrases, lifting aspirations. Support any friend, oppose any foe.I view the security team (perhaps Prouty's Secret Team) as calling three strikes on the 35th President: 1) Bay of Pigs; 2) Missile Crisis; 3) NSAM 263. They shared Hunt's view from Give Us This Day (1973) that refusal to allow the final B-26 raid on the three T-33s, refusal to provide air support were betrayal. They saw the removal of missiles from Turkey as surrender. They looked at NSAM 263 as retreat. And they, having been deposed in 1961, would not allow themselves to be shattered into a thousand pieces.The giants of organized crime had lost their Havana casinos, had run guns, and been prevented from any more of that. Little brother was besetting them, and big brother would not enable them. He became clearly a stone in their shoe.Oil men wanted their depletion allowance; the Fed would not be cast aside.Johnson would not be dropped from the re-election ticket to be carted off to jail. Hoover would not be forcibly retired, to spend his waning days running his age-spotted hands over old awards, old photographs.The next business day after the funeral, Tuesday, November 26, 1963, NSAM 273 was signed.Only later would John and Bobby be accused of this and that indiscretion. DiEugenio tracks this character assassination in the Probe article reprinted in The Assassinations.Sy Hersh and the boys doing the smear of the Dark Side of Camelot. Hey, he deserved to be murdered.Our friend the Boston financial professional recalled how the Johnson economic advisor Eliot Janeway toured the Boston and New York houses summer of 63 with the dire hissing warning of what a danger was the man Kennedy.Our friend from Army intelligence back in the day noted how "dangerous" was this man Kennedy.So it is with the looking glass. That fellow there is very dangerous, he has set himself as our enemy.Kennedy put himself in the center of a circle of a critical mass of pissed-off enemies. And he allowed the details of his personal safety to be handled by those with more sympathy towards his enemies than toward him.Was it personal; was it business.He failed to take his own advice from his innaugural adress, the line I hold above all the other soaring rhetoric therein:With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God's work must truly be our own.He told Henry Gonzalez that after the Chicago attempt the Secret Service had taken care of the threat. Big mistake to take the word of the bums who would drive you into a killing box and stop the car for the head shots. Don't delegate--do it yourself. It's more businesslike; it leads to a long and happy life.

Phil Dragoo wrote:"This is not personal. It's business."The innaugural address is a fine thing, memorable phrases, lifting aspirations. Support any friend, oppose any foe.I view the security team (perhaps Prouty's Secret Team) as calling three strikes on the 35th President: 1) Bay of Pigs; 2) Missile Crisis; 3) NSAM 263. They shared Hunt's view from Give Us This Day (1973) that refusal to allow the final B-26 raid on the three T-33s, refusal to provide air support were betrayal. They saw the removal of missiles from Turkey as surrender. They looked at NSAM 263 as retreat. And they, having been deposed in 1961, would not allow themselves to be shattered into a thousand pieces.The giants of organized crime had lost their Havana casinos, had run guns, and been prevented from any more of that. Little brother was besetting them, and big brother would not enable them. He became clearly a stone in their shoe.Oil men wanted their depletion allowance; the Fed would not be cast aside.Johnson would not be dropped from the re-election ticket to be carted off to jail. Hoover would not be forcibly retired, to spend his waning days running his age-spotted hands over old awards, old photographs.The next business day after the funeral, Tuesday, November 26, 1963, NSAM 273 was signed.Only later would John and Bobby be accused of this and that indiscretion. DiEugenio tracks this character assassination in the Probe article reprinted in The Assassinations.Sy Hersh and the boys doing the smear of the Dark Side of Camelot. Hey, he deserved to be murdered.Our friend the Boston financial professional recalled how the Johnson economic advisor Eliot Janeway toured the Boston and New York houses summer of 63 with the dire hissing warning of what a danger was the man Kennedy.Our friend from Army intelligence back in the day noted how "dangerous" was this man Kennedy.So it is with the looking glass. That fellow there is very dangerous, he has set himself as our enemy.Kennedy put himself in the center of a circle of a critical mass of pissed-off enemies. And he allowed the details of his personal safety to be handled by those with more sympathy towards his enemies than toward him.Was it personal; was it business.He failed to take his own advice from his innaugural adress, the line I hold above all the other soaring rhetoric therein:With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God's work must truly be our own.He told Henry Gonzalez that after the Chicago attempt the Secret Service had taken care of the threat. Big mistake to take the word of the bums who would drive you into a killing box and stop the car for the head shots. Don't delegate--do it yourself. It's more businesslike; it leads to a long and happy life.Excellent summation Phil.

tom jeffers wrote:... marilyn's silk panties ... Excellent description of the center of politics, Tom.

marilyn in polyester? shut your mouth!

Dear Mr. Phil Dragoo:Phil - Analytical, powerful, surgical, precise, and masterfully communicated with simplistic language that the neophyte to the advanced JFK Forum Member can benefit from.Perfect.I promise you that I will never take credit for your work.I promise you that I will repeat your work, the purest form of a compliment, and because I believe it is truthful and accurate.Respectfully,Bruce Patrick Brychek.

Phil Dragoo wrote:"This is not personal. It's business."The innaugural address is a fine thing, memorable phrases, lifting aspirations. Support any friend, oppose any foe.I view the security team (perhaps Prouty's Secret Team) as calling three strikes on the 35th President: 1) Bay of Pigs; 2) Missile Crisis; 3) NSAM 263. They shared Hunt's view from Give Us This Day (1973) that refusal to allow the final B-26 raid on the three T-33s, refusal to provide air support were betrayal. They saw the removal of missiles from Turkey as surrender. They looked at NSAM 263 as retreat. And they, having been deposed in 1961, would not allow themselves to be shattered into a thousand pieces.The giants of organized crime had lost their Havana casinos, had run guns, and been prevented from any more of that. Little brother was besetting them, and big brother would not enable them. He became clearly a stone in their shoe.Oil men wanted their depletion allowance; the Fed would not be cast aside.Johnson would not be dropped from the re-election ticket to be carted off to jail. Hoover would not be forcibly retired, to spend his waning days running his age-spotted hands over old awards, old photographs.The next business day after the funeral, Tuesday, November 26, 1963, NSAM 273 was signed.Only later would John and Bobby be accused of this and that indiscretion. DiEugenio tracks this character assassination in the Probe article reprinted in The Assassinations.Sy Hersh and the boys doing the smear of the Dark Side of Camelot. Hey, he deserved to be murdered.Our friend the Boston financial professional recalled how the Johnson economic advisor Eliot Janeway toured the Boston and New York houses summer of 63 with the dire hissing warning of what a danger was the man Kennedy.Our friend from Army intelligence back in the day noted how "dangerous" was this man Kennedy.So it is with the looking glass. That fellow there is very dangerous, he has set himself as our enemy.Kennedy put himself in the center of a circle of a critical mass of pissed-off enemies. And he allowed the details of his personal safety to be handled by those with more sympathy towards his enemies than toward him.Was it personal; was it business.He failed to take his own advice from his innaugural adress, the line I hold above all the other soaring rhetoric therein:With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God's work must truly be our own.He told Henry Gonzalez that after the Chicago attempt the Secret Service had taken care of the threat. Big mistake to take the word of the bums who would drive you into a killing box and stop the car for the head shots. Don't delegate--do it yourself. It's more businesslike; it leads to a long and happy life.Bravo!

"James Files is not a demented, twisted, lone nut serial killer..."Murdering innocent people from a distant hiding spot is evil, demented, twisted AND extremely cowardly. The fact that someone was paid to murder by a corrupt organization makes it not less, but more evil.James Files admitted to mass murdering unarmed women and children and then said he never killed anyone who didn't deserve to be killed. This is not demented? Files said that if it had been up to him, he would have blown up JFK's limo. That would have killed everyone in the car including Jackie, and probably killed or maimed several bystanders. Not demented? Files admired assassins and enjoyed killing innocent strangers, with or without reason, just so long as he got paid. JFKJF's trolling message illustrates the demented thinking behind such acts.The Kennedys were taught that they had a moral obligation to help the poor and underprivileged. Anyone who has taken the time to research the record knows that they have consistently done that for generations, whereas other wealthy political families have consistently for generations committed mass murder to help the rich and powerful.Whereas some people pulled every possible string in order to get out of the military. JFK, not remotely healthy enough to serve, pulled strings in order to get into the military. Say his heroism is overblown if you want, the fact remains that he saved at least one man's life by towing his lifejacket with his teeth. After PT-109, JFK went back into the military and continued to risk his life, and as President, he knowingly risked his life and paid the ultimate price for his country. It's strange that some people who would cite patriotism as an excuse for murderous acts, and who would never say anything against our soldiers, will not hesitate to malign a veteran who risked his life for his country so many times .If these people really had an argument they would have made it, instead of assassinating people they know nothing about. All they know how to do, and their solution for everything, is to kill people.The worst thing about the Kennedy assassination is that they are still assassinating him. If they would blow his head apart in front of his wife and America, would they hesitate to attack his character with lies? We were taught for decades that JFK was responsible for everything that happened in Vietnam after his death. Now, thanks to the work of some diligent researchers, we know different. How many other lies have been told about him? JFK and RFK aren't around to defend themselves or set the record straight. How many blatant, flat out lies have been told by the authorities and media just about the assassination?Having read a ton of accusations against JFK, I would still rather have him as President than any of his successors. "Kings don't get assassinated for nothing. They get assassinated for doing evil." That must be why Martin Luther King was assassinated. And Gandhi, and RFK and Malcolm X and John Lennon and on and on. The common denominator is that these people espoused peace. People who make money off war cannot allow influential pacifists to live. Unlike some leaders, JFK was consistently reluctant to escalate military deaths, and he was hated for that reason.You cannot get more twisted than to assassinate a President so that you can profit from a war in which many tens of thousands are killed and hundreds of thousands are wounded (some would have been better off killed), and then blame the assassinated President for the war. There's nothing more twisted than what was done to Oswald, Jim Garrison and the witnesses who told the truth. Jim Files "taking care of business" caused Vietnam. And the lost war on poverty. And the Bush presidencies. The simple fact is, some people wanted to make money off the mass slaughter and maiming of humans, and Mr. files received his $30,000 cut for removing the primary obstacle. There's no honor among thieves or assassins. That is twisted.

jfkanon wrote:"James Files is not a demented, twisted, lone nut serial killer..."Murdering innocent people from a distant hiding spot is evil, demented, twisted AND extremely cowardly. The fact that someone was paid to murder by a corrupt organization makes it not less, but more evil.James Files admitted to mass murdering unarmed women and children and then said he never killed anyone who didn't deserve to be killed. This is not demented? Files said that if it had been up to him, he would have blown up JFK's limo. That would have killed everyone in the car including Jackie, and probably killed or maimed several bystanders. Not demented? Files admired assassins and enjoyed killing innocent strangers, with or without reason, just so long as he got paid. JFKJF's trolling message illustrates the demented thinking behind such acts.The Kennedys were taught that they had a moral obligation to help the poor and underprivileged. Anyone who has taken the time to research the record knows that they have consistently done that for generations, whereas other wealthy political families have consistently for generations committed mass murder to help the rich and powerful.Whereas some people pulled every possible string in order to get out of the military. JFK, not remotely healthy enough to serve, pulled strings in order to get into the military. Say his heroism is overblown if you want, the fact remains that he saved at least one man's life by towing his lifejacket with his teeth. After PT-109, JFK went back into the military and continued to risk his life, and as President, he knowingly risked his life and paid the ultimate price for his country. It's strange that some people who would cite patriotism as an excuse for murderous acts, and who would never say anything against our soldiers, will not hesitate to malign a veteran who risked his life for his country so many times .If these people really had an argument they would have made it, instead of assassinating people they know nothing about. All they know how to do, and their solution for everything, is to kill people.The worst thing about the Kennedy assassination is that they are still assassinating him. If they would blow his head apart in front of his wife and America, would they hesitate to attack his character with lies? We were taught for decades that JFK was responsible for everything that happened in Vietnam after his death. Now, thanks to the work of some diligent researchers, we know different. How many other lies have been told about him? JFK and RFK aren't around to defend themselves or set the record straight. How many blatant, flat out lies have been told by the authorities and media just about the assassination?Having read a ton of accusations against JFK, I would still rather have him as President than any of his successors. "Kings don't get assassinated for nothing. They get assassinated for doing evil." That must be why Martin Luther King was assassinated. And Gandhi, and RFK and Malcolm X and John Lennon and on and on. The common denominator is that these people espoused peace. People who make money off war cannot allow influential pacifists to live. Unlike some leaders, JFK was consistently reluctant to escalate military deaths, and he was hated for that reason.You cannot get more twisted than to assassinate a President so that you can profit from a war in which many tens of thousands are killed and hundreds of thousands are wounded (some would have been better off killed), and then blame the assassinated President for the war. There's nothing more twisted than what was done to Oswald, Jim Garrison and the witnesses who told the truth. Jim Files "taking care of business" caused Vietnam. And the lost war on poverty. And the Bush presidencies. The simple fact is, some people wanted to make money off the mass slaughter and maiming of humans, and Mr. files received his $30,000 cut for removing the primary obstacle. There's no honor among thieves or assassins. That is twisted.I certainly understand your perspective. However, Jimmy Files was just a pawn for the organization that carried out this deed. Files was an impressionable young man, just like many others like Lee Harvey Oswald were...and are. Look at the CIA today. Look at what they are doing. They encouraged wars in both Afghanistan and Iraq, have tortured people (ala Nazi Germany), and may be even worse than the CIA of the JFK era. That's is saying something. I definitely see the fingerprints of the CIA on the events of 9/11 as well. But it's mostly the young men that have been recruited and programed by the CIA that carry out these deeds. Same thing with Blackwater. How many Jimmy Files type people work for them? Yes...what Files did was wrong. However, Jimmy had the guts to tell the truth, knowing the possible ramifications. I'll always appreciate that immensely. In addition, Jimmy has found spiritual guidance as he has gotten older. Now...I agree that JFK was a TERRIFIC President, no matter his flaws and vices. This world would be a MUCH better place had he lived. But if not Files as a shooter, then it would have been someone else. It's the machine (The CIA and the power elite)...not the parts. The machine is still running....very efficiently...I might add right now.

I understand what you're saying, Bob, about Files being a pawn, but we are all still responsible for our own actions. Without so many willing pawns, the machine could not run.If Files is to be excused for being young and impressionable, then every violent felon under 25 should be excused as well. There have been 14-year-olds tried as adults. People should be able to distinguish between right and wrong at least by the time they are 18. I'm sure you know there was no such thing as a bad nazi; They were all just good soldiers following orders, like Eichmann. And talk about impressionable!I don't think Files ever cared about the truth or getting it out. I think he got lonely in jail and let his secret slip out, and then got caught up in a different type of machine. As for his professed religion, he may believe it, but it's irrelevant to us. Every prisoner who is on death row, or who wants to make parole, claims to have found religion. Hitler was Catholic and the Manson family were Christians -- it didn't affect their actions. I think if there was a Satan and he came to earth, he would be very photogenic and likeable, and would know all the right things to say to people to win their sympathy, otherwise he would have no influence.