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Dear Mr. Thom Zajac:Thom - Another reason your arguments totally fail is that after JFK is obviously shot in the back, and you allege it is a frontal throat shot, is because JFK himself is heard to say:"I'm hit."You keep ignoring this, which Michael Calder also reminded us of yesterday.Tough to do if shot in the throat, with internal damage as you allege.Comments ?Respectfuly,Bruce Patrick Brychek.

Bruce,Who said that JFK said he was hit; Kellerman! One of the conspirators! Are you guys out of your minds?! William Greer said he didn't slow down or look back, so I guess that solves that too!Who else heard JFK say he was hit?Besides drinking, I think we're going to have to play some darts, pool, and ping pong- and I am going to kick your cantankerous ass!Yours truly,Thom

Dear Mr. Thom Zajac:Thom - You told me about your juggling career, in an effort to provide me with the type of insight that you wished me to understand here about you. I will share with you a portion of mine, and my thinking processes at this point in time.I began studying Martial Arts and Martial Science on the South Side of Chicago at the age of six (6). I always felt that I should have started earlier.While fighting in tournaments in the 1960"S in Chicago, I fought under the tournament name of Bruce "Lee" Brychek. In the tournament circuit I was quite good, and thought so.I met and became Training and Sparring Partners with James Earl Sutton/Files in Chicago in the late 1960'S. He constantly very seriously beat me, and after cleaning my tree seriously the first several times, I would ask him how he learned to fight in a way that I had never seen before. Understand at this point in time I had already earned three (3) Black Belts, and intensely studied Japanese, Chinese, Korean, and Okinawan Forms and Styles of Martial Arts and Martial Science.Every time Jimmy would seriously kick my ass, and when questioned what form or style he had studied, as I had never encountered a fighter like him before, he kept telling me he had learned to fight like that down on the farm. He beat me straight for almost a year like a punching bag, and I never seriously got to him in one single match. As I got better, he beat me worse each time with no apparent ceiling to his fighting skills. After several serious whoopings, fractured fingers, toes, nose, chipped teeth, broken ribs, and concussions, and one day after getting knocked out by Jimmy in front of the entire Dojo, when I came to, smelling salts and all, very dejectedly I said Yea, I know, fighting from down on the farm. He hugged me and took me to a friends restaurant and finally began explaining that the farm where he learned to fight was actually The Farm, the CIA at Langley, Virginia. And that he perfected his skills in the jungles of Viet Nam, Laos, and Cambodia. We became as "brothers" and he began telling me everything about him, as we intensified our private training to seven days a week when possible. Everything about him which is 100 X - 200 X more than is known on this website, in books or tapes, or that I have ever discussed with other lay people.After that I trained with Jimmy and men from the Army Rangers, Green Berets, Navy Seals, Air Force Survival, Marine Recon, and Jimmy's friends from the CIA and White Star Mobile from Viet Nam, Laos, Cambodia, then the FBI, Secret Service, ATF, DEA, State Police from Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Arizona, Virginia, and NFL players from the Chicago Bears, the San Diego Chargers, the Philadelphia Eagles, the Minnesota Vikings, the Cleveland Browns, the Arizona Cardinals, and the Green Bay Packers. I also did extensive Contract Security Work, and Specialized Body Guard Work.I mastered twenty-one (21) weapons, and beyond. I juggled knives, swords, baseball bats, tire irons, pool cues and guns. I am a very serious individual as I am told. But I am respectful, I merely hate to waste my time and energy.I then opened my own seven (7) Martial Arts and Martial Science Schools. I eventually sold them because I got tired of teaching, training, and being surrounded by a new batch of White Belts every 30 - 60 days. My own agenda was unnecessarily limited. I hated wasting my time and efforts, and not being able to focus and develop myself better in a truer quest for mental, physical, and spiritual perfection, and the life style that interested me.Over the next few days I am having major eight (8) hour meetings with James Earl Sutton/Files. I confer with him every week. You can not imagine what we are into, or have covered, and I will certainly not tell you, or others. But slowly, I tried to reveal some knowledge here.Arguing here on the JFK Forum bores me to death, yet I always tried to remain respectful, positive, and hopeful. I feel that I have so much to contribute, but often like I am swimming with a 500 pound anchor on my neck. Every 30 - 60 days it's the same nonsense to me. I often have the feeling that I am dealing with White Belts here, when I try to offer serious insight and "better knowledge," in a quest for better understanding and enlightenment, if you will.Thom - I certainly mean you or others here no disrespect, and before I get out of line, I am terminating this because compared to what I am into, I do not like the feeling that I am dealing with White Belt Arguments and knowledge over and over and over again and again an again. You and others have your opinions, and you are certainly entitled to them. I merely sought to allow you and others to drink from my cup of knowledge, without nonsense, argument, disrespect, or wasting my time and effort. I sought to share, to transmit, but there must be open minded receivers at the other end. Radio or T.V. waves with no radio or no T.V. are useless. I wanted to reach newer, higher levels of knowledge, understanding, communication, and insight. Further, I promised Wim that I would never get out of line here, and I certainly won't break that promise. I don't mean to offend you, or others, as Bob speaks highly of you, and that is good enough for me. But if I seek to offer from my cup of knowledge, the cups of others must have the capacity to receive that knowledge. I certainly do not sense that at all here, overall. I feel completely out of place here. I have tried to play the games, but to what end, to what purpose ? None of this now suits my agenda, or purposes now.This reasoning is why I desist from these dealings. I wish you, and others no ill will. I need a break from this. This benefits me not. This is certainly not you alone, as I have felt this way many times before, and this has been building to a crescendo. This is the the synergy of the combined circumstances. I sense that this is the time to quit wasting my time here. May God or the Higher Power protect you and the others, and your purposes, and your search for whatever you, and they are trying to accomplish here. This is truly a fork in the road for me. I see no direction, no real advancement for my satisfaction.Please don't bother with comments as I really don't care anymore for themRespectfully,Bruce Patrick Brychek.

If I may be blunt here...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnO9Jyz82PsI see both sides here. I really do. Bruce, I think Thom was just having some good natured fun...probably after a couple of organic hemp beers. Now...as I have stated before, like Bruce, I feel JFK was hit in the back with the first shot. But I also see why Thomas is DOUBTING the words of a secret service agent. It starts with Emory Roberts at Love Field, when he waved off the two agents that would have ridden on JFK's limo directly behind the car, therefore blocking any gunfire that would have come from behind. Plus, because of the close proximity of those agents to JFK, they would have been able to protect JFK and jump on him at the first sound of gunfire. Plus, we also have Bill Greer and Roy Kellerman, the guy who said JFK said, "I'm hit". I'm sorry, but Greer's performance as a driver that day was incompetent and embarrassing, plus Greer's performance completely broke every rule of a driver assigned to protect a high profile politician. At the FIRST sound of gunfire, Greer should have driven out of Dealey Plaza like a bat out of hell. Instead, he slowed down. Some witnesses said he came almost to a complete stop. Both Greer and Kellerman actually witnessed the fatal headshot as they BOTH were looking at the President during Greer's slow journey, instead of PROTECTING him and getting the hell out of there.Kellerman, at the very least, should have attempted to try and cover the President at the first sound of gunfire, but he remained in the passenger seat in the front, like he was on a country drive on a Sunday.This isn't just a matter of incompetence. Or being hung over, as many of the secret service were out drinking the night before to the wee hours of the morning. Based on what I know now, and have seen...both at Love Field and in Dealey Plaza...that charges should have been brought against Roberts, Greer and Kellerman. They all should have been fired immediately and investigations should have started.Someone got to Roberts, Greer and Kellerman, no matter what they have said since then. Performance speaks LOUDER than words. There were a lot of Judas' in Dallas that day, including some Dallas policemen and other officials, but no one helped cause the death of JFK more than the secret service. Plus...you also have the motorcade route, which again broke every security rule. Someone from the secret service okayed that route.Finally, I know there were many in the secret service that were loyal to JFK, as well as many in the CIA and FBI, but rogue elements of each of those agencies played a huge part in carrying out this assassination. None more so than the secret service in the actual crime itself.Bottom line, there is room for debate. Sometimes we all get a bit perplexed in this forum. It's happened to me, and from my vantage point, it's happened to just about everyone. If anyone can get cantankerous...it's me. Trust me. In terms of pool and darts, I used to be damn good, but it's been awhile. My nickname was "Mr. Drysdale" in pool, because of my banking ability. Darts came pretty natural to me. I think Thom would definitely have the advantage in ping pong though. I don't know Bruce's skill level in those areas, but if anyone that doesn't know us gets a bit cantankerous, I'll gladly be on Bruce's side. In terms of hoisting a few beers, I'm from Milwaukee. Enough said. So...let's please chill out a bit and take a deep breath. Both sides of an argument can be right. But there is a middle ground where agreement can be mutual. I think that is true in this debate as well.

Bruce, you have created an image combining Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged, and Albert Camus' Myth of Sisyphus.Water created the Grand Canyon without uttering a word.Bob, Abraham Bolden made it clear the Secret Service bragged it would step aside for any bullet aimed at Kennedy. And, yes, the two asshats in the front seat stopped and turned to wait for the head shot. Well, duh. They richly deserve the Full Saigon Police Chief de Gras.Jim DiEugenio's Parts Eight and Nine run to the big picture rather than the microanalysis--and couple those portraits with James Douglass in JFK and the Unspeakable wherein he has Allen Dulles roaring at David Lifton: "You have NOTHING!"These jackasses slew the president who wouldn't execute their policy; and they wrapped the deed in an enigma in a riddle in a paradox--then sent in an ambulance for a "seizure" and badgered Perry and put Yates through eleven years of thorazine and electroshock for giving the hitchhiking Oswald double a ride--with his "curtain rods".The ghost of the execrable Helms laughs at our squabbles over what in the end are details independent of the whole: that rather than openly confront, they took to the shadows to ambush.What was supposed to happen in Vietnam? Brown & Root's Big Payday? The Mob never got its casinos and heroin back in Cuba. Johnson, Hoover, Nixon, Ford all shuffled off the stage in disgrace and defeat. Only the CIA survived.Leon Panetta--who pushed the sale of Long Beach to COSCO and the PLAN--presides. DCI-emeritus Gates cowrote the CFR paper in 2004 Iran: Time for a New Approach calling for negotiations with the Islamic Republic--is Prince al-Taleel getting his money's worth for Obama's Harvard education?And what of Hillary? Her husband flacked for Dubai and she recently boohooed that Vietnam reneged on the deal they made with her SecStateness to allow the democracy advocates free speech.The only men of integrity seem to be revolving around a man in a cell in the Land of Lincoln.Let us not to the marriage of true minds admit impediment.Let us not talk falsely now; the hour is getting late.

Bruce Patrick Brychek wrote:Dear Mr. Thom Zajac:Thom - You told me about your juggling career, in an effort to provide me with the type of insight that you wished me to understand here about you. I will share with you a portion of mine, and my thinking processes at this point in time.I began studying Martial Arts and Martial Science on the South Side of Chicago at the age of six (6). I always felt that I should have started earlier.While fighting in tournaments in the 1960"S in Chicago, I fought under the tournament name of Bruce "Lee" Brychek. In the tournament circuit I was quite good, and thought so.I met and became Training and Sparring Partners with James Earl Sutton/Files in Chicago in the late 1960'S. He constantly very seriously beat me, and after cleaning my tree seriously the first several times, I would ask him how he learned to fight in a way that I had never seen before. Understand at this point in time I had already earned three (3) Black Belts, and intensely studied Japanese, Chinese, Korean, and Okinawan Forms and Styles of Martial Arts and Martial Science.Every time Jimmy would seriously kick my ass, and when questioned what form or style he had studied, as I had never encountered a fighter like him before, he kept telling me he had learned to fight like that down on the farm. He beat me straight for almost a year like a punching bag, and I never seriously got to him in one single match. As I got better, he beat me worse each time with no apparent ceiling to his fighting skills. After several serious whoopings, fractured fingers, toes, nose, chipped teeth, broken ribs, and concussions, and one day after getting knocked out by Jimmy in front of the entire Dojo, when I came to, smelling salts and all, very dejectedly I said Yea, I know, fighting from down on the farm. He hugged me and took me to a friends restaurant and finally began explaining that the farm where he learned to fight was actually The Farm, the CIA at Langley, Virginia. And that he perfected his skills in the jungles of Viet Nam, Laos, and Cambodia. We became as "brothers" and he began telling me everything about him, as we intensified our private training to seven days a week when possible. Everything about him which is 100 X - 200 X more than is known on this website, in books or tapes, or that I have ever discussed with other lay people.After that I trained with Jimmy and men from the Army Rangers, Green Berets, Navy Seals, Air Force Survival, Marine Recon, and Jimmy's friends from the CIA and White Star Mobile from Viet Nam, Laos, Cambodia, then the FBI, Secret Service, ATF, DEA, State Police from Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Arizona, Virginia, and NFL players from the Chicago Bears, the San Diego Chargers, the Philadelphia Eagles, the Minnesota Vikings, the Cleveland Browns, the Arizona Cardinals, and the Green Bay Packers. I also did extensive Contract Security Work, and Specialized Body Guard Work.I mastered twenty-one (21) weapons, and beyond. I juggled knives, swords, baseball bats, tire irons, pool cues and guns. I am a very serious individual as I am told. But I am respectful, I merely hate to waste my time and energy.I then opened my own seven (7) Martial Arts and Martial Science Schools. I eventually sold them because I got tired of teaching, training, and being surrounded by a new batch of White Belts every 30 - 60 days. My own agenda was unnecessarily limited. I hated wasting my time and efforts, and not being able to focus and develop myself better in a truer quest for mental, physical, and spiritual perfection, and the life style that interested me.Over the next few days I am having major eight (8) hour meetings with James Earl Sutton/Files. I confer with him every week. You can not imagine what we are into, or have covered, and I will certainly not tell you, or others. But slowly, I tried to reveal some knowledge here.Arguing here on the JFK Forum bores me to death, yet I always tried to remain respectful, positive, and hopeful. I feel that I have so much to contribute, but often like I am swimming with a 500 pound anchor on my neck. Every 30 - 60 days it's the same nonsense to me. I often have the feeling that I am dealing with White Belts here, when I try to offer serious insight and "better knowledge," in a quest for better understanding and enlightenment, if you will.Thom - I certainly mean you or others here no disrespect, and before I get out of line, I am terminating this because compared to what I am into, I do not like the feeling that I am dealing with White Belt Arguments and knowledge over and over and over again and again an again. You and others have your opinions, and you are certainly entitled to them. I merely sought to allow you and others to drink from my cup of knowledge, without nonsense, argument, disrespect, or wasting my time and effort. I sought to share, to transmit, but there must be open minded receivers at the other end. Radio or T.V. waves with no radio or no T.V. are useless. I wanted to reach newer, higher levels of knowledge, understanding, communication, and insight. Further, I promised Wim that I would never get out of line here, and I certainly won't break that promise. I don't mean to offend you, or others, as Bob speaks highly of you, and that is good enough for me. But if I seek to offer from my cup of knowledge, the cups of others must have the capacity to receive that knowledge. I certainly do not sense that at all here, overall. I feel completely out of place here. I have tried to play the games, but to what end, to what purpose ? None of this now suits my agenda, or purposes now.This reasoning is why I desist from these dealings. I wish you, and others no ill will. I need a break from this. This benefits me not. This is certainly not you alone, as I have felt this way many times before, and this has been building to a crescendo. This is the the synergy of the combined circumstances. I sense that this is the time to quit wasting my time here. May God or the Higher Power protect you and the others, and your purposes, and your search for whatever you, and they are trying to accomplish here. This is truly a fork in the road for me. I see no direction, no real advancement for my satisfaction.Please don't bother with comments as I really don't care anymore for themRespectfully,Bruce Patrick Brychek.Bruce,I don't get it. We agree to disagree and then you spice it up a little and then I respond in kind and then you get all weird and condescending. I have no interest in animosity going either way. Truly sorry my latest email was not more obvious in its jest, and I hope we can get past this, though we probably shouldn't engage in argument for a while at least.Respectfully,Thom

Sometimes I don't understand a word you all say At times I have to step back and take a different direction and generally end up going around the world.As for me I have to get a feeling for something as to the ways it may have happened and what is logicaland what is probable.I have stood in Dallas at Dealey Plaza and felt a peace in the air knowing we have solved the affair that happened there in '63.I have stood in Waco and a feeling of dispair with no peace.Oklahoma City at the Murrah building I cannot get near because of the intense pressure. At Dealey there is no possiblty of a shot from the south.The throat wound is hard to understand because it looks like an entrance wound in the pictures we have been shown.because it probabbly was an entrance wound having been made by shrapnel.All that being said I want to offer, once again, to pick anyone up at the DFW airport for a visit.I even have a couple spare private rooms upstairs if you want to stay awhile.Martha and I might even feed you and furnish the beer unless of course you are FROM MILWAUKEE If you have never been to Dealey you owe it to yourself to do so, and to see Oak Cliff as well.

I can understand Bruce's irritation fully. It is one of the reasons I don't follow my own forum too closely anymore, although it appears to be busier than ever before. The so called JFK research community is its own worst enemy, in the sense that some researchers who sincerely believe that JFK was killed through a conspircay, have fallen blindly in love with their own theories. Some of these are truly whacko, like the limousine hace to a full halt and the Zapruder film was altered and tamperd to conceal that "fact". Professor James Fetzer is the fiercest promotor of this theory, and you just can't convince him to abandon it. Whether he has invested so much energy in it, whether he does not want to change his books, whether he is blind for the facts, I do not know what it is, but I do know that he will never explain why the other films (Nix, Muchmore en Hughes) do not show the car coming to a full stop. Nevertheless, he uses the argument that James Files does not report a stopping limousine, to dismiss Files as not credible. This kind of circle reasoning and arguing among the JFK research community is perfect for the culprits. They must be laughing their ass off. Another example is that the driver (Greer) turned around and shot JFK in the head with his pistol. Promotors of this theory can't be convinced either, no matter how hard you hit them with the facts. Another one is the shooter from the storm drain in the sidewalk of Elm street. These BS theories have been propagandized and discussed so often that they live an own life and can hardly be wiped out. And another one is that JFK's throat wound was caused by a separate bullet from the front. This discussion has also occurred many times here, but the problem is that over time the topic sinks back to old pages and a new one will start again in a few months from now. So the forum is just a cozy private pool of us dogs chasing their own tails. The forum will certainly not make difference in advancing the truth. The website itself and the DVD's serve that purpose much better.I shall make a webpage to list all the facts whay JFK's throat wound was not caused by a separate bullet from the front. That will at least save Bruce and me the time, effort and frustration to have this discussion over and over again. Wim

Does it really matter that mutch to justify irritation, if James Files is telling a 10-50 or 100 % thruth ?Even in case if he is only telling a 10% thruth it will make this forum probably still less filled with with lies, than the dark side.

Hard Feelings and What little I knowI am still a new guy on this forum, and just like life being a New Guy means you don't quite get the inside jokes, and tend to ask questions that only a new person would ask. It is a fear of mine that I am being redundant, but I also know that in some cases asking the question again can lead towards a greater understanding for all. I have noticed since reading the forum that there is from time to time some frayed nerves, frustrations, and a general moodiness on certain subjects or questions. Sounds like my former marriage to be honest.In truth all of this is to be expected really considering the subject matter, and the agony and loss of that, which has in a strange way brought most all of you together from different backgrounds, experiences and beliefs. Those backgrounds, experiences and beliefs do not change so much, as being added to with knowledged shared between each other. I think that is way this forum really is something to be proud of. And even the same old question that comes from new blood is answered with dignity and integrity. I am very grateful for this. I have been enlightened in many ways by you all. Yes, I have pondered the throat shot from the front. Mainly because I have come across this information from other souces outside of this forum. I tend to try and use the collective consensus of you all as a guide to all the other sources and "evidence".A sense of humor is a big help in keeping one's humanity. A verse of a song says: Would you like a little coffee? I ain't no one's cup tea