TSBD (6th Floor) Museum Boycott

[Martin Hinrichs]

SeamusCoogan wrote:Hey Chris you may wanna cease with this tunnel business for the time being. 'Terry' sent Chris a photo which purports to be an abandoned railway tunnel underneath the Texas school book depository. The problem is that the photographer is less than forthcoming about where he actually took the photo in Dallas. Judging by this map of Dallas's underground pedestrian centre he really couldve have been anywhere. Thus anywhere was what I had to nail. Because it became clear to me in a few minutes of searching this photo was not underneath the TSBD.Furthermore the underground railyway system in Dallas did not go anywhere near the TSBD.http://www.flickr.com/photos/nationalre ... 077410107/ A little read of things here should confirm that.http://www.johnnyamerica.net/archives/2 ... .35.58/And if you still don't believe me try this.http://dallastunnels.org/entrances-map/Now, not many people know it but Dallas does have an underground city and semi shopping complex. Though not as big as say Vancouver or Montreals in fact its rather crap by all accounts its worth a mention but funnily a number of Dallasites don't even know that it exists.http://dallastunnels.org/http://www.fou ... map.aspNow heres where the photos came from. The guy whom Terry sourced the picture off and misquoted. These pictures seem to have been taken in and around Thanksgiving Square as can be seen by the widelense montage.http://forum.dallasmetropolis.com/showt ... 6413Unless Terry can get older maps and evidence for his baseless assumptions it look as if the underground railroad never went anywhere near the TSBD. Terry should be rather careful about criticising other researchers when he has made a rather big one here.Well research Seamus.Who is Terry, Chris?

[SeamusCoogan]

Martin Hinrichs wrote:SeamusCoogan wrote:Hey Chris you may wanna cease with this tunnel business for the time being. 'Terry' sent Chris a photo which purports to be an abandoned railway tunnel underneath the Texas school book depository. The problem is that the photographer is less than forthcoming about where he actually took the photo in Dallas. Judging by this map of Dallas's underground pedestrian centre he really couldve have been anywhere. Thus anywhere was what I had to nail. Because it became clear to me in a few minutes of searching this photo was not underneath the TSBD.Furthermore the underground railyway system in Dallas did not go anywhere near the TSBD.http://www.flickr.com/photos/nationalre ... 077410107/ A little read of things here should confirm that.http://www.johnnyamerica.net/archives/2 ... .35.58/And if you still don't believe me try this.http://dallastunnels.org/entrances-map/Now, not many people know it but Dallas does have an underground city and semi shopping complex. Though not as big as say Vancouver or Montreals in fact its rather crap by all accounts its worth a mention but funnily a number of Dallasites don't even know that it exists.http://dallastunnels.org/http://www.fou ... map.aspNow heres where the photos came from. The guy whom Terry sourced the picture off and misquoted. These pictures seem to have been taken in and around Thanksgiving Square as can be seen by the widelense montage.http://forum.dallasmetropolis.com/showt ... 6413Unless Terry can get older maps and evidence for his baseless assumptions it look as if the underground railroad never went anywhere near the TSBD. Terry should be rather careful about criticising other researchers when he has made a rather big one here.Well research Seamus.Who is Terry, Chris?The Pleasure is all mine Martin. Thats my Uncle and Godfathers name Id have you know.

[ChristophMessner]

The TSBD was first built by the railroad company, and the under ground subway runs just behind it now.Never said this photo of the underground I posted is under the TSBD, it's a photo of the tunnel underneath DALLAS! ( they drilled with a blind eye, and even after they were surprised to discover the Santa Fe Railroad Tunnel, a structure 20 feet deep and 50 feet wide under Young Street, the intense water pressure forced the collapse of the sealed concrete cinder block tunnel entrance causing the basement in the Santa Fe Federal building to be demolished and flooding into the basement and sub-basement of the Earle Cabell Federal Building/U.S. Courthouse.We should not post the maps of the DART subway system, Seamus, and the underground shops and Thanksgiving Square. All that came after the the Santa FE openings, that were cemented close until this flood busted one of them open. We should do real research about the SANTA FE underground back then. Only this link http://www.flickr.com/photos/nationalre ... 077410107/ seamus posted pertains to the Santa Fe and it has no map. How many knew that Santa Fe had rail tunnels or that there is a freight elevator in the Houston street sidewalk? Shouldn't we check out all escape routes? And ask whether there was a switch out of electricity in the TSBD on 11/22/63? Seamus, Martin, I do not know Terry Lawrence from Tennessee very well so far, but he mailed me about this recently and he left the impression of a nice, decent, intelligent researcher on me. I'm here in Germany and I don't know much about Dallas nor am I a profound researcher, I just see the relevance of the jfk-murder-background for the political-pedagogical implications up till today and I regard myself able to add one and one together. Sometimes it makes three ... Just let's not push away bold assumptions before it's really disproved and let's approach the jfk-murder-solving with maximum imaginative power into the thinking world of the real orchestrators of this open air hidden power demonstration monster conspiracy assassination. Chris

[SeamusCoogan]

Firstly Chris, I have to point out that I was commenting on the lack of sources for the photo Terry sent you. Im sure he's a nice guy but the implication I drew from the first post was that the picture was taken under the TSBD. This was misleading and opens it up to skepticism. Thus what the picture led me to do was focus my energies on the inner city tunnel network where the photo was taken and as my suspicions were correct it turned out the pic was actually taken quite a distance away from Dealey Plaza.[quote="ChristophMessner"]The TSBD was first built by the railroad company, and the under ground subway runs just behind it now.Never said this photo of the underground I posted is under the TSBD, it's a photo of the tunnel underneath DALLAS! (they drilled with a blind eye, and even after they were surprised to discover the Santa Fe Railroad Tunnel, a structure 20 feet deep and 50 feet wide under Young Street, the intense water pressure forced the collapse of the sealed concrete cinder block tunnel entrance causing the basement in the Santa Fe Federal building to be demolished and flooding into the basement and sub-basement of the Earle Cabell Federal Building/U.S. Courthouse.Okay Chris thats a good piece of information which I had come across but it seems I had forgotten to use. Now I was under the impression that the Dart when I was in Dallas was actually above ground lol. I travelled on it but thats about all I can recall (I was pretty blotto). The rail system centres only a few blocks from Dealey Plaza (as you can see) I agree that the Dart map should not be used in evidence.We should not post the maps of the DART subway system, Seamus, and the underground shops and Thanksgiving Square. All that came after the the Santa FE openings, that were cemented close until this flood busted one of them open. We should do real research about the SANTA FE underground back then. Baring my last in mind, I have to ask kindly why you still posted an enlarged DART map here? The Santa Fe underground Network (unless I am very much mistaken) did not run under the Book Depository. The flood you mentioned was in an area a good few blocks away from the Plaza.Only this link http://www.flickr.com/photos/nationalre ... 077410107/ seamus posted pertains to the Santa Fe and it has no map. Now, I have to ask whats the big deal here? I gave you got a history of the Santa Fe Line didnt I? My point (as I said earlier) was primarily to identify where the photos were taken. Identifying other networks or tunnells was an after thought of which a brief look established to my satisfaction (as I have already stated) the cold hard fact the Santa Fe underground tunnels did not go under Dealey Plaza nor the Book Depository. You may also want to read these links .http://dallastunnels.taitlifto.net/dall ... p_big.html http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/spe/200 ... .htmlCHRIS BUDDY, ITS NOT IN ANY WAY MY RESPONSIBILITY TO FIND OLD UNDERGROUND RAIL MAPS. YOU OR TERRY NEED TO POST THEM TO PROVE THE HYPOTHESIS (WHICH I THINK IS BOGUS). YOU ALSO SEEM TO HAVE MISREPRESENTED WHAT I WAS SAYING. I AM HERE TO BE PROVEN WRONG AND WOULD BE EXCITED WERE I TO BE SO.Furthermore the underground railyway system in Dallas did not go anywhere near the TSBD.http://www.flickr.com/photos/nationalre ... 077410107/A little read of things here should confirm that.http://www.johnnyamerica.net/archives/2 ... /11.35.58/And if you still don't believe me try this.http://dallastunnels.org/entrances-map/Now, not many people know it but Dallas does have an underground city and semi shopping complex. Though not as big as say Vancouver or Montreals in fact its rather crap by all accounts its worth a mention but funnily a number of Dallasites don't even know that it exists.How many knew that Santa Fe had rail tunnels or that there is a freight elevator in the Houston street sidewalk? Shouldn't we check out all escape routes? And ask whether there was a switch out of electricity in the TSBD on 11/22/63? Okay, Chris once again thats misleading. The powercut in the TSBD is immaterial. Firstly its pretty well known that were two main Freight elevators that were actually positioned to the rear of the building On the Pacific Avenue side. This is nothing special. Nor is it special that there is one on Houston Street. The elevator was more often than not used by staff and when used they were not loaded UNDERGROUND but probably on Houston Street.Seamus, Martin, I do not know Terry Lawrence from Tennessee very well so far, but he mailed me about this recently and he left the impression of a nice, decent, intelligent researcher on me. I'm here in Germany and I don't know much about Dallas nor am I a profound researcher, I just see the relevance of the jfk-murder-background for the political-pedagogical implications up till today and I regard myself able to add one and one together. Sometimes it makes three ...Just let's not push away bold assumptions before it's really disproved and let's approach the jfk-murder-solving with maximum imaginative power into the thinking world of the real orchestrators of this open air hidden power demonstration monster conspiracy assassination. ChrisHmmm I spend my life in this case dealing with peoples 'Bold Assumptions' and I dont like 90 percent of them. As for indulging your imagination to help think outside the square in the case. Thats okay if you really think theres a mystery to it but there really isnt anymore. I constantly try and reel my imagination in or have it work in different ways ie "I can only imagine how slaughtered I'll be if I get this wrong" or "imagine the dissapointment if my research turns out to be a dud" Now my mind goes into overdrive If a new piece of information comes out that stands up to scrutiny. But for me thats about as far as I go. Carl Ogelsby once said about JFK something like "We can very easily get caught up in the ether of our own imaginations." It was the most influential piece of advice on researching the case I have ever heard.Chris your post got me thinking. There is an element of truth to the subterrainian Dallas Angle. Where YOU should look Chris is for large drainage and piping systems beneath Dealey Plaza and their entrance and exit points. If their are mansized service tunnels underneath the structures and that sort of thing. Thus this post will make your mind work overtime.Jim Di Eugenio. http://www.ctka.net/2008/bugliosi_5b_review.html"In further opposition to the FBI denials about Smith and the assassination, Fruge once revealed to HSCA investigator Bob Buras a rather startling piece of information. During an interview, almost as a sidelight, Fruge offhandedly asked Buras if the Committee had found the diagrams of the sewer system in Dealey Plaza that were supposed to have been located in Sergio Arcacha Smith's apartment in Dallas. Now if Quiroga thought he saw the weapons to be used in the assassination, if he knew Oswald was not really a communist, and if his friend Smith had a map of the sewer system in Dealey Plaza, what is the FBI information Bugliosi uses worth? This information raises Cheramie's story into real importance and discredits the Bureau again."Now I didnt wanna publish the last piece because I know that people will get hold of it and think "Yeah, Shooter in the Storm Drain!!!" Anyhow, Jim thinks that angles BULLSHIT just as did I before I began working with him. The maps were more than likely used as possible escape routes should the situation unravel unfavourably. You see, thats what an over active imagination does. It buries something legitimate underneath a pile of crap. You'll have to take a look at how badly Fletcher Prouty was taken out of context about the Christchurch Star by over enthusiastic CT's when I finish it up.

[Phil Dragoo]

I was advised by the principal of this thread to accept Robert Oswald's statement:"In the early 1950's, LEE watched that show every week without fail. When I left home to join the Marines, he was still watching the reruns."I pointed out the series began September, 1953, and Robert left home to join the Marines July 15, 1952.The series ran through 1956 (sponsored by Phillips 66), making "reruns in 1952" impossible.Yet he persisted.I submit, the True Believer of Eric Hoffer; the Inner Party Member of George Orwell; the New Soviet Man of Joseph Stalin, will unfailingly fail to see the validity of any argument counter to the party line.Big Brother has therefore renamed the aforementioned "museum" The Memorial to the Glorious Lone Gunman.

[kenmurray]

Yeah with a big brother like Robert Oswald, Lee didn't need any enemies:http://whokilledjfk.net/Robert%20Oswald ... 463&page=1